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2007-03-20 Home Front: Politix
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Posted by Steve 2007-03-20 11:09|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 With McCain there is still the matter of what he says today is probably not related to what he will actually do tomorrow. There is a big difference between altering one's opinion after researching the facts and pandering for votes.
Posted by Jim 2007-03-20 11:29||   2007-03-20 11:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Problem with this article: They fdlip back and forth between illegals and legal immigration - as if those are the same things. Sorry, but thats fallacious argumentation, specifically the fallacy of dropped context. Its either an error by the writer or a deliberate attempt to decieve.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-20 11:30||   2007-03-20 11:30|| Front Page Top

#3 “Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls.

Wait till you get to southern California, John. That is, if you make it past Iowa. Which I hope you don't.

Mr. McCain’s suggestion that he might be open to Mr. Pence’s legislation requiring most workers to return home risks alienating business, a powerful constituency in the Republican Party. “The business community has always been skeptical about any requirement to make workers leave the U.S. to obtain legal status,” said Laura Reiff, of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, which represents service industries. “We haven’t ruled a Pence-like touchback completely out of the question, but it would need to be an efficient, functional process.”

This whole "touchback" idea is a load of crap and everybody knows it. Bush thinks he can pull this slight of hand so he can say it's not amnesty but we all know better. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's bullshit and we don't want it. NO AMNESTY. GET IT? And guess what Laura Reiff? We don't need more Mexican busboys. Let the teenagers do it like they used to. We don't need more Mexican construction workers with their forged/stolen Social Security cards and their shoddy workmanship so the greedy developers can slap up a few more massive housing tracts. I DON"T CARE IF LETTUCE COSTS $2 A HEAD. I DON"T CARE IF IT COSTS $5 A HEAD. IF IT GETS TOO EXPENSIVE I"LL SKIP THE SALAD.

FURTHERMORE, I DON"T CARE IF MEXICO LOSES IT"S "SAFTEY VALVE". IF THEY END UP HAVING A REVOLUTION MAYBE THAT"S BECAUSE IT"S ABOUT DAMN TIME THEY DID SOMETHING ABOUT THE CRIMINALS THAT ARE RUNNING THAT COUNTRY. PEOPLE LIKE PHILIPE CALDERON NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

But if they need jobs down there, why can't we slap tarriffs on all the plastic crap that's Made in China so they can Hecho in Mexico? Would that make too much sense?

“They just really are livid that we have allowed this to happen to the point it has.”

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

Hey Republicans!!! Wanna win California in 2008? Remember? We're the state that has more electoral college votes than any other state? GET WISE ABOUT THE BORDER!!! Wanna lose California? Just keep going the way you are.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-03-20 12:57||   2007-03-20 12:57|| Front Page Top

#4 After all of his indignant red-faced “Don’t call it Amnesty!” speeches McCain prolly has already sealed his fate regarding the issues surrounding Illegal Immigration with voters. However, he might be able to salvage some support by declaring that he recognizes that the majority of the American electorate does not have confidence in a “comprehensive approach” until there are concrete steps taken on border security and enforcement. Hey...it's worth a shot John.
Posted by DepotGuy 2007-03-20 13:56||   2007-03-20 13:56|| Front Page Top

#5 McCain, there is already one candidate (undeclared) who is going to clean your clock. Flip on this tot he right postion and you're an opportunist and get your ass kicked, Stay with what you destroyed the laste senate session with (amnesty) and you'll get your ass kicked. Face it John, you're getting your ass kicked becuae you were WRONG and too damned self-important and elitest to listen to us grass roots people. We've found our new guy. You lose.

"Enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary." -- Fred Thompson, on Fox News

BuhBYE John McCain, dont let the door hit you on your self-important self-entitled ass.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-20 14:33||   2007-03-20 14:33|| Front Page Top

#6 How many more will die and be victims to the criminal illegals in this country before they finally do something about the border?

All it takes is a fence, sufficient forces to patrol it and the guts to ignore the howls frpm Mexico's politicians and US big business.
Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-20 14:35||   2007-03-20 14:35|| Front Page Top

#7 These pols would be smart to lose the word 'comprehensive' while their at it. That suggest that Bush and company intend to do nothing unless they can make registered voters out of them at the same time. Anybody who crawls in under the wire doesn't need to vote, he just needs to eat.
Posted by wxjames 2007-03-20 14:59||   2007-03-20 14:59|| Front Page Top

#8 OK, I have one more bone to pick with this article and then I'll shut up. That's the part about the New York Time/CBS News Poll. Where did they conduct this poll, Minnesota? Try asking people in border states where the schools are full of kids who don't speak English and hospital emergency rooms are full of illegal aliens who don't have insurance. Try asking people who have to live with the problem every day instead of a bunch of elite, liberal, easteners who go straight from their limousines to the dining room without ever looking into the kitchen to see the new American slaves.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-03-20 15:09||   2007-03-20 15:09|| Front Page Top

#9 “Immigration is probably a more powerful issue here than almost anyplace that I’ve been,” Mr. McCain said after a stop in Cedar Falls

Am I to infer that Arizona doesn't beat out Iowa in terms of intensity of debate over Mexican colonization of the continental US?
Posted by eLarson 2007-03-20 15:44|| http://larsonian.blogspot.com]">[http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2007-03-20 15:44|| Front Page Top

#10 Am I to infer that Arizona doesn't beat out Iowa in terms of intensity of debate over Mexican colonization of the continental US?

No, just that McCaine cares more about what Iowa voters think.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-03-20 15:47||   2007-03-20 15:47|| Front Page Top

#11 Thompson on Paul Harvey today (pretending to talk with the Mexican Pres)

Hey guys, you’re our friends and neighbors and we love you but it’s time you had a little dose of reality. A sovereign nation loses that status if it cannot secure its own borders and we are going to do whatever is necessary to do so, although our policies won’t be as harsh as yours are along your southern border. And criticizing the U.S. for alternately doing too much and too little to stop your illegal activities is not going to set too well with Americans of good will who are trying to figure a way out of the mess that your and our open borders policy has already created.

My friends, it’s also time for a little introspection. Since we all agree that improving Mexico’s economy will help with the illegal-immigration problem, you might want to consider your own left-of -center policies. For example, nationalized industries are not known for enhancing economic growth. Just a thought. But here’s something even more to the point that you might want to think about: What does it say about the leadership of a country when that country’s economy and politics are dependent upon the exportation of its own citizens?

Go here for more:

Blog entry I got it from - audio links are at the bottom)
Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-20 18:40||   2007-03-20 18:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Article: He said he was open to legislation that would require people who came to the United States illegally to return home before applying for citizenship, a measure proposed by Representative Mike Pence, Republican of Indiana. Mr. McCain has previously favored legislation that would allow most illegal immigrants to become citizens without leaving the country.

This is nuts. Legal immigrants currently have to apply for legal residency (green cards) before they can apply for citizenship, after 5 years of legal residency, but illegal aliens get to shortcut this process? It's one thing to cut in line while at the grocery store, but this is a line that, for legal immigrants, takes years and years just to get the initial green card. But McCain wants illegal aliens to get green cards just for crossing the border illegally or overstaying their tourist visas. This is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-03-20 21:06|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-03-20 21:06|| Front Page Top

#13 OldSpook, immigration and illegal immigration are one in the same in Iowa because there are next to no legal immigrants in Iowa. The state is overrun by Mexicans and Central Americans brought in to work the factories. I grew up in Iowa and have three brothers still living there. The state I grew up in bears little resemblance to what is there now. For one, the rural population has collapsed. Forty years ago, families of 7 or 8 worked farms of 160 - 320 acres. Today, 3 or 4 people work farms >3,000 acres. This alters the workplace in two ways: first, the economics of many of the agriculture-related factories,e.g. meatpacking, depended on this rural population, Farm families needed second jobs to see them through the lean times and viewed the factory jobs as supplements rather than their sole source of support. With that population gone, there were not enough people willing to work for the wages previously paid. Rather than change the jobs to attract Iowans to work in the factories, management ACTIVELY recruited in Mexico for workers. Since they don't pay these illegals enough to be economically viable, the taxpayers pick up the slack through social programs. Iowans are by nature pretty easygoing, but this situation has deeply angered people. Nobody likes to be taken advantage of and called a racist if they complain. John McCain might as well save his money. He has no chance as a Republican in Iowa. He might do better in the Democrat caucuses.
Posted by RWV 2007-03-20 22:43||   2007-03-20 22:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Oh, sorry for the rant. The second impact of the collapsing rural population was the elimination of the city jobs that previously supported the farm families. Basically with a greatly reduced rural population, you don't need as many teachers, doctors, lawyers, restaurants, store clerks, etc. My hometown has half as many people now as it had when I graduated from high school and a smaller population than any time since the Civil War.
Posted by RWV 2007-03-20 22:47||   2007-03-20 22:47|| Front Page Top

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