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2007-03-19 Home Front: Politix

Texas Sheriff To Be Sentenced Monday, Firing In Self Defence

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Posted by Ho Chi Glager5496 2007-03-19 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Well, at least, they can't accuse him of racism.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-03-19 00:14|| 2007-03-19 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 You know its crap like this, the Fed involved and coddling Mexico really pisses me off. Its this issue, as well as general fecklensess in domestic policy and politics, that is slowly but surely turning me solidly against Bush. The kowtowing to Mexico in this case and the Ramos case, and the slandering of th Minutemen, and the complete craven cowardice and lack of balls when it comes to putting up a real fence that we need - those make me truly despise George W. Bush. He has NO integrity when it comes to border security and coddling Mexico. No personal integrity whatsoever, as shown by his words, his repeated inaction and the government's runaway actions against those who try to enforce the border.

Dubya, if it werent for the war, I'd be calling for you to drop dead so someone with guts (Cheney) could take over.

Its just getting that bad down here on the border, and I'm damn tired of Bush making it worse.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-19 02:04|| 2007-03-19 02:04|| Front Page Top

#3 OK it may be a bit harsh...

But with the R's in congress too gutless to act, and the D's aiding and abetting the criminals, then who else can we call on?

The President is supposed to lead, damn it, and President George W Bush has refused to lead at all on this issue, to the detriment of law enfiorment and the border areas. He has, in fact, made it worse with his talk of amnesty, and his refusal to take concrete steps on building permanent physical barriers on the border.

When the nuke goes off that smokes Dallas, or Denver, or Chicago, and it came across smuggled from Mexico, it will fall on Bush's head because he was too politically craven to do what was needed to secure our borders. And thats no consolation to those who will die, nor to the depression it will kick of in our economy and all the misery that will cause. All because one man, when presented with the opportunity to act, to lead from the bully pulpit, simply refused.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-19 02:25|| 2007-03-19 02:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Nothing wrong with a little Bush hate. It's like flies loving shit, 10 billion can't be wrong.

Posted by Shipman 2007-03-19 02:37|| 2007-03-19 02:37|| Front Page Top

#5 To hell with illegal aliens. But I don't want cops firing at people who are running away. Shooting instructors told me the importance of straight shooting, and the absolute imperative in preventing stray bullets. How was the officer's life in danger?

Posted by Sneaze 2007-03-19 06:20|| 2007-03-19 06:20|| Front Page Top

#6 I read the article as saying that Mrs. Garcia stayed in the car because she'd been hit by one of the bullets the Deputy shot to stop the car, not that he shot her in the back as she was running away to avoid arrest. It seems to me that in such a situation all the illegals, particularly the driver of the car, are complicit in her injury because they did not comply with the lawful demand of a law enforcement officer, while they were engaged in the commission of a crime. I hope Deputy Sheriff Hernandez (note the name -- no possible claims of racism here!) appeals this all the way to the Supreme Court, because this sentence is bloody nonsense.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-03-19 07:17|| 2007-03-19 07:17|| Front Page Top

#7 Whoops! gromgoru already noted the racism bit. I don't know how I missed that the first time, especially as it's a particularly clever point. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2007-03-19 07:19|| 2007-03-19 07:19|| Front Page Top

#8 I think Sneaze has got it right. The problem was firing at the fleeing car, unless they were shooting at him as they drove off...

I remember in "It's A Wounderful Life", Jimmy Stewart running away when the policeman (Bert?)Ward Bond tells him to stop. Bert blazes away on a busy street at Christmas time. Seemed a bit out of place, even the first time I saw it.

Posted by Bobby 2007-03-19 07:45|| 2007-03-19 07:45|| Front Page Top

#9 Officer observes traffic light violation and pulls over vehicle. Normal traffic stop, no gunfire expected or employed.

Officer walks up to vehicle and driver tears off. Abnormal response strongly indicating crimes way beyond normal traffic violation are in play. Likelihood of further crimes and danger to community is high. Shooting out a tire or otherwise stopping the vehicle is safer for everyone than engaging in a high-speed chase - including safer for the woman who got her teeth busted. NOT pursuing the vehicle would be dereliction of police duty. Give Hernandez a medal, not a sentence.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-03-19 08:51|| 2007-03-19 08:51|| Front Page Top

#10 The problem comes when the Feds got involved at the behest of MEXICAN officials. The locals were doing their duty.

And no its not hate for Bush. Its disgust at his inaction. Period. He had a great chance to shape the debate and to put in the thing that woudl have stopped this sort of thing: a fence, and enforcable border. My CINC does have the right ideas in Iraq now that he has "found his Grant" in Petreaus (and changed the stupid ROE that were hobbling people there), what makes me angry and disgusted is that he is not doin the same thing here on equally vital issues.

If you have a beef with me on calling the President on this issue, start citing facts instead of namecalling (Bush Hatred, etc). Otherwise, if thats the way you want to do it, Daily Kos is full of people who work that way and you probably belong there with that style of argumentation. Facts are: Bush opposed the "Fence First" and thats why we have these issues in the border areas and border towns; Bush seems extraodinarily sensitive to Mexico's desires to the dertimetn of our own citizens given the federal governmnet's actions whenever the Mexicon government sends them a letter.

I'm say thing's bad - if you think it's good then say why.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-19 11:19|| 2007-03-19 11:19|| Front Page Top

#11 I agree with OldSpook. The State department should have told the Mexican Goveernment to butt out. It's not their business.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2007-03-19 11:34|| 2007-03-19 11:34|| Front Page Top

#12 The thing that really bothers me is that the President, through inaction, makes the ROE in Iraq so restrictive that we can't win. Well, our troops keep going and winning, though it costs them more in lives and injuries.

Meanwhile, while our troops and covert people are all over the world are risking their lives fighting the enemy, our government is leaving the back door open at our southern border.

At first look, this looks stupid. On second look, this looks like we are accommodating the Mexican government, drug cartels, and politicians from both parties, who all have a stake in the status quo.

Looking at this open back door policy, one would think that the President is incompetent or stupid. I cannot believe that. But then the President sends down some National Guard troops and gives the country a bone, then to have the NGs outgunned and hobbled by ROE, well then one must ask the question of why.

Is the President compromised by something or someone that he must do something so idiotic? Two good Border Patrolmen are in Federal Prison because of politics. This Texas Sheriff may be joining them.

Dems are talking of impeachment for Iraq. I am not advocating it, but I would say that leaving our southern border open to druggies, illegals, and potential terrorists is a deriliction of duty and is an impeachable offense.

OldSpook---I am as mad as hell about this! The President, Republican Party, and the Federal Government has let the country down. I see no answers from them. I see none from the Dems for sure. That just leaves the people.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-03-19 12:40|| 2007-03-19 12:40|| Front Page Top

#13 it'sore or less the attorney general in that part of the country who is going after the lasw enforcement, on the other hand bush could start handing out pink slips but then he would have the ACLU up his ass

Posted by sinse 2007-03-19 15:31|| 2007-03-19 15:31|| Front Page Top

#14 What OldSpook said. I want to respect and admire George Bush but his position WRT amnesty, illegal immigration and the border stinks of corruption. What's worse is that no major contender to take his place is saying what I want to hear about it. The only exception is Duncan Hunter and I'm afraid he hasn't reached the "major" phase yet. Just no way in hell will I vote for Guilliani, Romney or McCain because of this issue. If it takes four years of Hillary for the Republicans to get wise about the border then so be it. I just pray that our republic can survive four years of Hillary.

Posted by Elmereter Hupash6222 2007-03-19 16:11|| 2007-03-19 16:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Let's get 'em! All we need are 10 Rethuglicans Senators to vote for their own re-election. We can do it sheeple! Let's Whine!

Posted by Shipman">Shipman 2007-03-19 16:53|| 2007-03-19 16:53|| Front Page Top

#16 Well one candidate has it right. Fred Thompson.

"We woke up one day after years of neglect and apparently discovered that we have somewhere between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it became an impossible situation to deal with.

I mean, there's really no good solution. So what do you do? You have to start over. Well, I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary."

Posted by OldSpook 2007-03-19 16:58|| 2007-03-19 16:58|| Front Page Top

#17 Amen.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-03-19 17:02|| 2007-03-19 17:02|| Front Page Top

#18 Fred's ready. What's his show now?

Posted by Shipman">Shipman 2007-03-19 17:30|| 2007-03-19 17:30|| Front Page Top

#19 If the phalkin borders were closed these things wouldn't happen, and the police would not be put in such positions involving international politics. Bush is intent on selling out America in this regard. Any republican promising to reverse this trend and arm the border patrol, and excuse them for shooting illegals gets my vote.
Too much McCainism (lets be nice to everybody) going on here. Let's be bastards, kick ass and take names. No more wussies, Bushie !

Posted by wxjames 2007-03-19 19:52|| 2007-03-19 19:52|| Front Page Top

#20 UPDATE: SHERIFF SENT TO PRISON

Gilmer Hernandez sentenced to 12 months plus one dayBy Joe Hyde Publisher South West Texas Live

Former Edwards County Deputy Sheriff Gilmer Hernandez was sentenced to 12 months plus one day by Federal Judge Robert T Dawson.

World Net Daily
Investigators had no plans to bring charges against Texas Sheriff's Deputy Gilmer Hernandez until the Mexican government intervened and demanded it, the officer's supervisor told WND.

Sheriff Don Letsinger of Rocksprings, Texas, said the Texas Rangers were not going to recommend prosecution, but federal law enforcement took over the case in response to the Mexican government's intervention.

NOTE: The Mexican Consulate Had No Interest in Seeing Mexican Nationals Held Accountable For the Laws They Were Breaking By Being in the US Illegally and For Attempting to Flee the Traffic Stop.

Posted by Ho Chi Glager5496 2007-03-19 20:28|| 2007-03-19 20:28|| Front Page Top

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