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2024-03-11 Home Front: Politix

Biden Lied 30 Times During The State Of The Union

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Posted by Besoeker 2024-03-11 04:04|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 "You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills."

There are no bills to pay to NATO. Is that so hard to understand? The 2% are are what countries are supposed to spend for their OWN defense (and they could cook the books easily). Btw all European countries which have a border with Russia do spend more than 2% (afaik). At least Finland, the Baltics and Poland do.

"Opponents of endlessly funding Ukraine’s war with Russia have regularly stated that American interests must come before those of other nations."

How much will it cost America if Putin conquers Ukraine and then attacks NATO?

As a matter of fact we Europeans are already resigning ourselves to the fact that a Trump-America will abandon us. If cou believe that this in your interest, well, there's nothing we can do about it.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 06:46|| 2024-03-11 06:46|| Front Page Top

#2 ^ After cooking your books for decades, how do you expect the American taxpayer to care more about Germany than the Germans do? Ye reap what ye sow EC.

Posted by Cleared Cookies Lost Nic 2024-03-11 07:14|| 2024-03-11 07:14|| Front Page Top

#3 Actually we DIDN't cook our books. That's what I meant. It's quite easy to bump up your military expenses to 2%. It just depends on what you put in the budget.

Do you want to go back to isolationism? Good luck with that.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 07:31|| 2024-03-11 07:31|| Front Page Top

#4 EC is correct. Germany didn’t cook the books. It just failed to meet its obligations. Still don’t understand why it’s wrong for Germans to protect Germany.

Posted by Ebbuger Whuque4103 2024-03-11 08:01|| 2024-03-11 08:01|| Front Page Top

#5 It was not until 2014 that it was agreed at a NATO summit that the 2 % rule was a target. However, as stated in a working paper by the Federal Academy for Security Policy, it was formulated rather softly: "The summit communiqué calls for NATO members that are below the two per cent level to 'move towards' it over the next 10 years, i.e. by 2024". Moving towards a target is not the same as reaching it.

And btw Germany will reach the target in 2024.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 08:17|| 2024-03-11 08:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Suddenly meeting your obligations hardly makes one prepared.

Posted by Cleared Cookies Lost Nic 2024-03-11 08:40|| 2024-03-11 08:40|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes, two percent spent on those excellent leopard tanks ain't gonna make it. Ditto more long in the tooth eurinefighters.

Posted by M. Murcek 2024-03-11 08:49|| 2024-03-11 08:49|| Front Page Top

#8 But I bet Stepan Bandera's grave site on the west side of Munich is looking nice and clean.

Posted by DooDahMan 2024-03-11 08:56|| 2024-03-11 08:56|| Front Page Top

#9 Germany has bought 35 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II (price 11 bn dollars). For a start.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 08:57|| 2024-03-11 08:57|| Front Page Top

#10 There is an unspoken element in play here which involves the German psyche and their contemporary views toward militarization and conflict. I can't imagine where it might have originated.

[sarc off]

Posted by Besoeker 2024-03-11 09:01|| 2024-03-11 09:01|| Front Page Top

#11 The koolaid drinkers believe this crap. It's not just their zombie voters but the managers in the bubble. They all seem to forget that the Soviet Union collapsed because everyone was lying up the chain of command.

Posted by Procopius2k 2024-03-11 09:10|| 2024-03-11 09:10|| Front Page Top

#12 This explains why it took them so long in Ukraine. But they are learning now. Without Western help Ukraine will collapse and Russia will take it all.

Why would they stop, knowing that the West doesn't stop them?

Abandon Europe, and you'll face a bold alliance of China-Russia-Iran with more nations switching sides. Good luck with that.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 09:41|| 2024-03-11 09:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Our own southern borders have been breached with aid from traitors within and we should be worried about the Danube? There's are very reasonable chance we will be distracted by a war much closer to home.

Posted by Procopius2k 2024-03-11 09:49|| 2024-03-11 09:49|| Front Page Top

#14 I fail to see why we can't negotiate with Russia to give them what they want, and for them to agree with what we want.

Putin has four years to run in his tenure, and four years of preparing is better than the clusterfuck that US military and foreign policy has brought to the table.

If he kicks before then and we don't have an agreement, we will be right back here, fighting over the best way to print money.

Posted by badanov 2024-03-11 09:52|| 2024-03-11 09:52|| Front Page Top

#15 Abandon Europe, and you'll face a bold alliance of China-Russia-Iran

(a) China wants Russian far east a lot more that it wants USA.
(b) Iran survived so long only because it's protected and funded by USA.
(c) Western Europe with it's racist/islamist ("we are too white lets invite more Muslims") and antisemitic ("free, free Plasteline") and it's dominance of international organizations is a cancer on the body of Humanity.
After all, Eastern Europe was occupied by Soviet U. for two generations - are they the worse for it?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-03-11 10:04|| 2024-03-11 10:04|| Front Page Top

#16 Eurines are mostly terrified of the re-introduction of a work ethic and elimination of all Brussels' beloved woke nonsense if Russia dominates them.

Posted by M. Murcek 2024-03-11 10:06|| 2024-03-11 10:06|| Front Page Top

#17 "Western Europe [...] is a cancer on the body of Humanity"

Glad we cleared that up.

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 10:10|| 2024-03-11 10:10|| Front Page Top

#18 Why would they stop, knowing that the West doesn't stop them? Posted by: European Conservative

By the West, do you mean all the other European nations who have failed to meet their recommended obligations to NATO?

The EU GDP is much higher than the Russian GDP and you people can't field and army to defend yourselves?

Posted by Cleared Cookies Lost Nic 2024-03-11 10:12|| 2024-03-11 10:12|| Front Page Top

#19 MLF we'll scare Breznev!

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-03-11 10:24|| 2024-03-11 10:24|| Front Page Top

#20 Ref #17: Whahaha gasp, whahaha.

Posted by Besoeker 2024-03-11 10:31|| 2024-03-11 10:31|| Front Page Top

#21 In the early 1990s the architects of PNAC were gravely concerned with a strong Europe. Now you want it?

Yes the European GDP is higher than the US GDP. But for now, we don't have the United States of Europe. We thought we didn't need a milirtary as strong as the American one. We don't aspire to be a global hegemon.

It is quite possible that the Russian threat will change that. In 20 years Europe could look a lot different if it gets its act together.

A nuclear armed Germany? You will not necessarily like it.

Right now, the U.S. is sending a strong message to its allies. Do not necessarily count on us anymore.

Taiwan will take note. If you don't defend Ukraine and therefore Europe, why would you defend Taiwan?

Posted by European Conservative 2024-03-11 10:53|| 2024-03-11 10:53|| Front Page Top

#22 As is the case domestically, I'll start thinking of Ukraine as a crisis when Europe starts behaving like it is.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2024-03-11 11:42|| 2024-03-11 11:42|| Front Page Top

#23 In the early 1990s the architects of PNAC were gravely concerned with a strong Europe. Now you want it?
I'd rather see a Europe that can defend itself from Russia and iran with or without assistance from the US. Wouldn't you want that? For far too long the EU has played both sides of the fence with China, Russia and Iran. Now the bogey man is at the door and it's somehow Americas problem.

Yes the European GDP is higher than the US GDP. But for now, we don't have the United States of Europe. We thought we didn't need a milirtary as strong as the American one. We don't aspire to be a global hegemon.
Ah, but you do.

It is quite possible that the Russian threat will change that. In 20 years Europe could look a lot different if it gets its act together.
Do you have 20 years?

A nuclear armed Germany? You will not necessarily like it.
You won't pay for it. If you did you would dismantle it.

Right now, the U.S. is sending a strong message to its allies. Do not necessarily count on us anymore.
There is more to the border vote than Ukraine and Taiwan. America's border is more important than yours. Accountability of the money is an issue as well.

Taiwan will take note. If you don't defend Ukraine and therefore Europe, why would you defend Taiwan?
Good, they should take note and not behave like Europe/NATO.

Posted by Cleared Cookies Lost Nic 2024-03-11 11:56|| 2024-03-11 11:56|| Front Page Top

#24 How much will it cost America if Putin conquers Ukraine and then attacks NATO?

Not gonna happen, EC. The real question is: How much is it costing us to host 27 million illegal aliens, especially when we're already $35 trillion in debt? How much is it costing Europeans to host millions of immigrants from the Middle East and Africa?

Putin's invasion of Ukraine was provoked by NATO's announced intention to expand into Ukraine. There was no need for this expansion. It was raw aggression on the part of Joe Biden and his European cohorts. Putin might well ask how much it will cost if NATO conquers Ukraine and then attacks Russia?

Joe Biden is a mad man. If you don't believe me, watch the latest SOTU and see if he doesn't remind you of a certain mustachioed corporal from Austria, right down to the way he was wagging his index finger while he ranted and raved. Seriously, you'd follow that man into war?

Regarding Trump's remarks at #2, Biden didn't outright lie, he just didn't tell the whole truth. Biden knew the whole truth, he knew the context in which Trump made those remarks. But he ignored the context. You could call it lying by omission. Democrats and their lackeys in the mainstream media do it all the time.

Everybody knows that America pays far more than its fair share for NATO. People in our government have long thought of themselves as the world's policeman. But we don't get paid for it. In fact, people all over the world hate us for it. But our defense contractors get rich and then they make generous contributions to the politicians who maintain this policy.

I believe NATO was justified in the years after WWII when Stalin was threatening to keep the Red Army marching West. I believe NATO is still justified. But it is justified as a defensive alliance for democratic, peace loving people. It was never meant to be a vehicle for the imperial ambitions of American and European globalists.

NATO has no business in Ukraine.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2024-03-11 12:50|| 2024-03-11 12:50|| Front Page Top

#25 European Central Bank: Go Green or Go Home

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-03-11 12:52|| 2024-03-11 12:52|| Front Page Top

#26 29. America’s Prospects Challenging China

I am far more concerned about China than I am about Russia. China sends us covid and fentanyl. That's biological and chemical warfare to which our government has not responded. They bribe our government officials. Joe Biden is obviously compromised by the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese really are aggressive to their neighbors. Ask a Tibetan or a Uighur. Ask an Indian or a Filipino. Ask anybody from Taiwan. Russia is not the problem. China is. Russia could have been our ally not just against China but against Islamist extremism. Biden's policy toward Russia doesn't make one bit of sense. His policy toward China only makes sense if you understand that he is compromised by Chinese bribes.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2024-03-11 15:06|| 2024-03-11 15:06|| Front Page Top

#27 If the Russians invade Germany, they'll be undocumented Germans. What's the problem?

Posted by Regular joe 2024-03-11 15:19|| 2024-03-11 15:19|| Front Page Top

#28 ^ Ow! That's gonna leave a mark. Or is it a rouble?

Posted by M. Murcek 2024-03-11 15:22|| 2024-03-11 15:22|| Front Page Top

#29 ^^Newcomers

Posted by Beavis 2024-03-11 17:17|| 2024-03-11 17:17|| Front Page Top

#30 Howdy Doody couldn’t lie unless Buffalo Bob moved his lips.

Posted by Super Hose 2024-03-11 17:22|| 2024-03-11 17:22|| Front Page Top

#31 Go to your room, M — that was truly, truly awful!

Posted by trailing wife 2024-03-11 21:43|| 2024-03-11 21:43|| Front Page Top

#32 Re Hitlerite bogeyman Bandera and evil ilk... [checks Kremlin wall] Yep, I'm still there!

Dear zeros of Soviet labor,
I crave of survivors one favor:
To see that my grave
Is kept clean, and to slave
At removing its sickening savor.

Posted by Anosmic Limon Jughashvili4558 2024-03-11 23:54|| 2024-03-11 23:54|| Front Page Top

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