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2006-03-10 Science & Technology

Think the sun's interior is too hot?: Try 3 billion degrees

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Posted by mhw 2006-03-10 12:50|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Impressive, but I always try to bring such things into some sort of perspective, if possible. In this case, well, of course I'm forced to guess, since there's no precedent, but I still have doubts it would melt my ex's heart. ;-)

Posted by .com 2006-03-10 13:04|| 2006-03-10 13:04|| Front Page Top

#2 try3 billion degrees

mental note: don't forgit, patent chile recipe.

Posted by RD 2006-03-10 13:12|| 2006-03-10 13:12|| Front Page Top

#3 It's not the heat, it's the humidity...

Posted by tu3031 2006-03-10 13:15|| 2006-03-10 13:15|| Front Page Top

#4 Headline: "Hottest March on record. Bush's fault."

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-03-10 13:20|| 2006-03-10 13:20|| Front Page Top

#5 How can they measure this, I wonder? And, more importantly, how do you contain something like this? It's like that old brain teaser, how do you contain an acid that eats through everything!

Posted by Dar">Dar 2006-03-10 13:26|| 2006-03-10 13:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Thai reds, Scotch bonnets, and a can of refried beans...

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-03-10 13:29|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-03-10 13:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Headline: "Hottest March on record. Bush's fault."

They don't know how they did it.

If we had only signed Kyoto...

Posted by Xbalanke 2006-03-10 13:47|| 2006-03-10 13:47|| Front Page Top

#8 You measure the temp Dar, by looking at the wavelength of the light. Wein's Law. YOu contain it with a magnetic field. Any more questions?

Posted by Thineth Crineger7860 2006-03-10 14:06|| 2006-03-10 14:06|| Front Page Top

#9 temp is average kinetic energy of molecules.An average test tube of air has about 1 followed by about 19 zeroes of air molecules.If you can accelerate one atom or one molecule up to very superhigh velocities that velocity can be said to be superhigh temp,but the first contacts with other molecules slows the speedy one down.the energy density is infinitesimally small,and useless for ordinary purposes although i am sure here are scientific uses,etc

Posted by j morrissey">j morrissey 2006-03-10 14:23|| 2006-03-10 14:23|| Front Page Top

#10 I thought this part was interesting:

One thing that puzzles scientists is that the high temperature was achieved after the plasmas ions should have been losing energy and cooling. Also, when the high temperature was achieved, the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions.

Posted by Gloting Shomonter6233 2006-03-10 14:38|| 2006-03-10 14:38|| Front Page Top

#11 One thing that puzzles scientists is that the high temperature was achieved after the plasmas ions should have been losing energy and cooling. Also, when the high temperature was achieved, the Z machine was releasing more energy than was originally put in, something that usually occurs only in nuclear reactions.

This sounds like good old cold fusion.....well, okay maybe not really cold....

Do the ions decompose, at those temperatures, like into quarks or something to get that energy gain?

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2006-03-10 15:16|| 2006-03-10 15:16|| Front Page Top

#12 TC7860--Yes, one more question--can you elaborate on the magnetic containment? I should have known about the wavelength measurement (duh!), but I'm admittedly clueless about a magnetic field containing heat.

Posted by Dar">Dar 2006-03-10 15:33|| 2006-03-10 15:33|| Front Page Top

#13 Magnetic containment is like Mars Flies in a Klein Bottle, couldn't help it. Magnetic containment keeps the matter in the center of your vessel or along the path of a beam using the properties of a magnetic field. Physics stuff.

Posted by Alaska Paul in Hooper Bay, AK">Alaska Paul in Hooper Bay, AK 2006-03-10 15:44|| 2006-03-10 15:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Dar
can you elaborate on the magnetic containment? I should have known about the wavelength measurement (duh!), but I'm admittedly clueless about a magnetic field containing heat.

Sure no prob Dar.

You've got to Accent-tchu-ate the positive,

E-lim-my-nate the negative,

Latch on to the affifmative,

and Don't mess with Mrs bosons In-between! »:-)

Posted by RD 2006-03-10 17:04|| 2006-03-10 17:04|| Front Page Top

#15 Is it just me or should I be concerned that at 3 billion degrees anything burns?

One breach in the containment field Gordie and there goes Albuquerque, New Mexico, and the planet earth. But, what the heck, it's science!

Posted by Grains Sloger8947 2006-03-10 18:21|| 2006-03-10 18:21|| Front Page Top

#16 Okay, I do appreciate the help from the scientists here, but I am still confused.

Heat is a form of energy, and energy is neither created or destroyed, right? How is the energy dissipated by a magnetic field, i.e. what form does the energy take and where does it go?

Also, where does the energy to create something 3.6 billion° F come from? I imagine there was not an abundance of matter heated this high--but still it seems that it would take massive amounts of energy to accelerate matter this highly.

Posted by Dar">Dar 2006-03-10 19:07|| 2006-03-10 19:07|| Front Page Top

#17 Heat is a form of energy, and energy is neither created or destroyed, right

Well now it depends Mr. Dar. It is possible to have an ideal energy - here look out my window. See that tank farm? That's energy. Now to be truthful it exists only in an ideal state, that being Texas, so it's hard for it to be useful. To be useful it must be moved (FOB) NY. That requires either more energy or $.

Posted by Billie Sol 2006-03-10 19:37|| 2006-03-10 19:37|| Front Page Top

#18 Paging Dr. Tesla!
Paging Dr. Tesla!

Posted by Chuck Simmins">Chuck Simmins 2006-03-10 21:12|| http://blog.simmins.org]">[http://blog.simmins.org] 2006-03-10 21:12|| Front Page Top

#19 D *** it, decadent capitalist Amerikan-skis stole from the we-invented-everything North Koreans and Russians again - first Chechyna, now the Sun. * BUGS BUNNY - "Of course you know this means war", in IRAN!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-03-10 23:26|| 2006-03-10 23:26|| Front Page Top

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