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2005-03-08 Europe
Spain facing 'significant' risk of new attack: Interior minister
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Posted by Seafarious 2005-03-08 00:00:00 AM|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 All I can say is, "Good luck on finding them before they find you." They got themselves into a pickle. Now they can get out of it.
Posted by Alaska Paul  2005-03-08 12:09:05 AM||   2005-03-08 12:09:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 "We are confronted with a significant level of risk of new attacks, more than in other countries with our geography and POLITICS,"

Emphasis mine.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-08 12:53:58 AM||   2005-03-08 12:53:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 So, Mr Bean is finding out kissing Jihadi ass doesn't work.

TFB.

Vote in a harder government, and we will talk. Otherwise, the US should start plans to pull out of Rota and all our other Spanish bases.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM||   2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 what did they expect? You agree to dance with the devil, you're sure to get burned.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 3:36:51 AM||   2005-03-08 3:36:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Al Queda cells have operated in Spain since 98. No attack on Iraq has limited this since Iraq as the Spanish know was unconnected to Al Queda. All evidence seized in Spain concerning the Hamberg cells and the Madrid bombing cells and the of the 911 preparations carried out there, show not even a phone call to Iraq. However the seized evidence shows the majority of funding came from Saudi Arabia where they all called, all had ties, and all received money. Go figure guys.
Posted by jurisesq 2005-03-08 6:36:33 AM||   2005-03-08 6:36:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 juriseq - No problem agreeing that it's smart to follow the money. No argument there. But it's gotten very very old whacking the MSM meme that there were no ties between Saddam and AlQ. Go here: The Weekly Standard. Enter "Hayes" for Author, select Both and click Search. Stephen F Hayes documented it in at least 10 (of the 187 articles that come up) articles. Get the info, it's ancient history now, and kill the meme.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 6:46:49 AM||   2005-03-08 6:46:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Ah, the smell of a troll in the morning...

Juriseq, the post is about danegeld (you pay ransom in any form, they will come for more), not about whether Atta made any calls to Iraq (he did not have to, calls to Prague were cheaper).
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-03-08 6:58:09 AM||   2005-03-08 6:58:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't let evidence get in the way of polemic. Use non-reality based reasoning. Attack your dog for your bad day at work. He is culpable you know. There are ties between him and the others. The Weekly Standard (neo-propaganda) says so.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 8:05:58 AM||   2005-03-08 8:05:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Sobiesky you marginalize yourself with the name calling
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 8:07:24 AM||   2005-03-08 8:07:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The liberation of Al Andaluse proceeds apace.
Posted by gromgorru  2005-03-08 8:09:44 AM||   2005-03-08 8:09:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Lol! What a pathetic response. Go home, sonny, you're not up to it.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 8:16:07 AM||   2005-03-08 8:16:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 huh huh you're not up to it lol lol
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 8:19:58 AM||   2005-03-08 8:19:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Sobiesky you marginalize yourself with the name calling

Something tells me you are not trying to get on our good side.

Iraq was unfinished business. Saddam violated the ceasefire enough times since 1991 that I don't care if someone in Iraq holds up an unopened tube of toothpaste and says they found WMD in this little tube, Iraq the pain in the ass is gone and now Iraq the newest republic is here to stay.
Posted by Chise Elmavimp3277 2005-03-08 8:20:17 AM||   2005-03-08 8:20:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 I got bit by the cookie bug!

Chise Elmavimp3277

aka badanov
Posted by badanov  2005-03-08 8:21:41 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2005-03-08 8:21:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Jurisesq,
You are partially right. The ties between Al-Qaida and Saddam and the Mukhabbarat existed but were minor compared to the ties with organizations and factions other Islamic coutries like the Pakistani secret service and branches of the Saudi royal family.

But quibbling about these murky contacts distracts from the big picture. In terms of the root causes of Al-Qaida terrorism, Iraq and Saddam were certral to Al-Qaida.

Don't believe me? Go ask Bill Maher who was gabbing with Ward Churchill about the need to examine the Gulf War and the ensuing decade of sanctions in order to understand 9/11.

Or better yet, go right to the horses ass mouth, Osama Bin Laden. Read his original fatwah. Among the hot air and flowery religious rhetoric and myriad of grievances real and imagined, you can determine that his 3 biggest issues are 1) American troops on (Saudi) Arabian soil (and their corrupt morals, free women, music, drinking, etc.) 2) U.S. Support for Israel and 3) the long-running U.S. sanctions on Iraq and the ensuing humanitarian crisis (a million dead babies).

So 2 of the top 3 are directly related to Iraq and Saddam's deceipt and aggression towards the U.S., his neighboring countries and his own people. Of course, Osama accepted the Baathist propaganda line that all of the problems resulting from the containment strategy were the U.S.'s fault and not Saddam's. Saddam had done a good job of twisting the blame for the suffering and continued conflict on to the U.S. and Osama and most of the Arab/Muslim world swallowed it (except the actual Iraqis, who knew better but wer unable to say otherwise without risking turning up in an unmarked desert mass grave). People like Bill Maher still continue to believe that. But it is as clear as day that Iraq had everything to do with 9/11, Al-Qaida and the many of the other deep rooted problems in the rest of the region.

It will take a long time to defeat the global Jihadist movement, but no solution could be possible without removing the most oppressive, aggressive, unstable and murderous tyranny in the region. Following rolodexes and wire transfers to the various contacts in the network and nothing more is a formula for failure. That stuff is important but it would never suffice on its own. Go tell that to John F. Kerry.
Posted by John in Tokyo 2005-03-08 8:51:52 AM||   2005-03-08 8:51:52 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 even if you take the troll's premise that pulling out Iraq had anything to do with it, then shouldn't it follow that sending the troops to Iraq in the first place had nothing to do with the decision to dump Aznar? So what was the point of immediately pulling them out then? Just to screw the Americans?

Our dimmie is probably too brainwashed with the discredited beliefs of the last century to grasp it, (you know, those brilliant ideas that if we just act nice and talk about it over a long lunches, then the United Nations can pass a resolution that will stop rape rooms and genocide - ahhh....it worked well, didn't it?) but you can't stop Al-Qaeda by just arresting the already trained cells inside your own country.

Our troll takes the premise that they pulled out of Iraq because that's not where Al-Qaeda was. Sooo.......why didn't they send those troops to where they believed Al-Qaeda to be?
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 9:28:00 AM||   2005-03-08 9:28:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 John in Tokyo ...great post - but don't waste too much time with this particular troll. He can't even spell Al-Qaeda right - so you know he's just a parrot.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 9:30:01 AM||   2005-03-08 9:30:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Premise? 2b - you really think troolboy had a reasoned premise? Of his own? Lol - nahhh. Look at the subsequent posts, lol! He degenerated into incoherence immediately! You and John in Tokyo are much too kind - and wasted a good deal of effort for nada, methinks.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 9:33:15 AM||   2005-03-08 9:33:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Oops - overlapped.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 9:33:45 AM||   2005-03-08 9:33:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Heh. Hey Juriseq, be sure you spell it right in the future ...it's Al-Qaeduh. Don't forget the "h" at the end...you don't want people to think you are stupid.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 9:36:05 AM||   2005-03-08 9:36:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 you can also spell it Al Qaiduh and still be correct.
Posted by anon 2005-03-08 9:46:10 AM||   2005-03-08 9:46:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 2b --you don't know that these are all phonetic spellings of arabic language words.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 9:49:44 AM||   2005-03-08 9:49:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 You obviously don't have an AP Stylebook. We do. Sorry, they're all gone.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 9:52:51 AM||   2005-03-08 9:52:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Just remember Secular Saddam vs Islamic Radical

Who do we want in charge of Iraq? We have to find the next Saddam and get him "elected" and rule under a "democratic" government in a country where there is no State only a Religion.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 9:54:57 AM||   2005-03-08 9:54:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Ah, now you're beginning to smell familiar...
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 9:57:15 AM||   2005-03-08 9:57:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 you guys swallow more bait than than a croaker
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 10:02:58 AM||   2005-03-08 10:02:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 ROFL!

Coming from a fool stuffed to the gills full of DUmmy Dhimmiwit idiocy, that's quite the statement, son!

You're just another twitter without a clue. Dime a dozen. It's been lame. FOAD / HAND.
Posted by .com 2005-03-08 10:06:33 AM||   2005-03-08 10:06:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 Just remember Secular Saddam vs Islamic Radical

What a meaningless pile of crap. Saddam was perfectly willing to kiss up to the religious radicals when it suited him, and the radicals are perfectly willing to work with the "secular" Baathists when it suits them.

Don't believe me? If the seculars and religious cannot work together in the Middle East, why is Hezbollah supported by Syria? Why did Syria and Iran declare a "common front"?

Not that you actually CARE about the evidence. You're nothing but a set of reflex nerves wired up to leftist talking points.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2005-03-08 11:18:20 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-03-08 11:18:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 hey genius...google your spelling of Al-Qaeda and see what comes up. But, I've already agreed with you on the phonetic thing. Like I said, don't forget the "h".
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 11:24:35 AM||   2005-03-08 11:24:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 Oh lord, that ancient Saddam the Secular nonsense again.

He may have been non-religious himself, jurisesq, but in the last few years before his overthrow, Saddam built a huge mosque in Baghdad for the use of his Sunni relatives and their co-religionists, in which was displayed a copy of the Qur'an he claimed was written using his own blood as ink. He also built Sunni mosques all over Iraq, using Oil for Food profits.

Honestly, this was a man clever enough to survive some 40 years of vicious Arab and Ba'ath Party intrigue -- f'r instance when he had his predecessor taken and publicly hacked to pieces, or murdered his sons-in-law who had escaped to the West with tales of his WMD programs -- and to successfully manipulate some of the most cynical and corrupt politicians in the world. Jurisesq, are you seriously suggesting that Saddam Hussein was not clever enough to remember the Arab saying, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?? Saddam Hussein successfully controlled and suborned the religious elements in his country for a generation -- why would he not expect to continue to do so while forging alliances that resonated well with the religious oligarchies on his borders?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-03-08 11:37:22 AM||   2005-03-08 11:37:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Soooo, how's that appeasement thingy workin' out for ya', Zappy?
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-03-08 11:55:57 AM||   2005-03-08 11:55:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 I blame the cowboy Bush
Posted by Zappy  2005-03-08 12:09:47 PM||   2005-03-08 12:09:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 If I understand "juriseqs" (#24) correctly that creature believes someone like Saddam ("the next" one) should be "elected" to "rule" the Iraqi people.

How revealing.
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-03-08 12:13:03 PM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/]  2005-03-08 12:13:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 What juriseq and all the other lefties want is for the US to attack the Magic Kingdom and forget everything else. They know the effect that would have on the world economy and on Muslims worldwide. It is, in other words, a non-starter...for now. The alternative strategy of changing the countries surrounding SA and peacefully forcing change there is the only one that is viable. In this scenario, Iraq was and is the logical place to start for a whole host of reasons. Some of the locals may not like having change forced upon them, and we know that the chattering classes don't approve. But the vast majority of people in the ME want freedom, are seeing what is happening in Iraq in that regard, and can't wait for the opportunity to reach them too.
Posted by Remoteman 2005-03-08 12:33:33 PM||   2005-03-08 12:33:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 now I get it --you all have one day press passes at the white house and also run an escort service and paid to outblog the internet. No wonder there is only name calling and dodgeball.
Posted by juriseqs 2005-03-08 2:35:28 PM||   2005-03-08 2:35:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Fred, Emily, Steve - where are our manners?

Did anyone send a thank-you note to DU for sending us a new chew-toy to bat around? ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-03-08 2:44:16 PM||   2005-03-08 2:44:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 No, juriseqs, I run the vast right wing conspiracy that stole this election in Ohio. I gave up the escort service years ago.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-03-08 2:45:00 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-03-08 2:45:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 juriseqs has been around, using different names, and is no competent attorney, just a troll
Posted by Frank G  2005-03-08 3:03:48 PM||   2005-03-08 3:03:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Damn fine job you did, DB. Thanks.
Posted by Matt 2005-03-08 3:04:24 PM||   2005-03-08 3:04:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 Barbara, I would have done, but I'm afraid to go in there -- those people have no manners, no morals, and no intelligence, but they do have the viciousness of rabid shrews.

And what is lower-case juriseqs going on about in that last post? Some sort of projection thingy as it calls us names and issues non-sequitors?
Posted by trailing wife 2005-03-08 3:05:57 PM||   2005-03-08 3:05:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Barbara, Karl asked us to keep things on the q.t. for now. We'll wait to send out thank you notes when headquarters gives us the all clear. But I've got the stationery all picked out.
Posted by Seafarious  2005-03-08 3:16:06 PM||   2005-03-08 3:16:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 I'm afraid this chew-toy is looking ragged. I suppose I'll have to ban his ass. I wouldn't mind it if the DU sent someone who could offer a semblence of a debate, but juriseqs is just lame.

Someone holler for a clean-up on aisle #24 or something next time he pops up.
Posted by Steve White  2005-03-08 3:16:59 PM||   2005-03-08 3:16:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 #40 TW:
those people have no manners, no morals, and no intelligence, but they do have the viciousness of rabid shrews
Other than that, they're pussycats, right? ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-03-08 5:10:44 PM||   2005-03-08 5:10:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 but it's so much fun to be reminded just how stupid and hollow they really are. Makes me feel ..you know... special.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-08 5:35:04 PM||   2005-03-08 5:35:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 What's the damned problem??? Appease 'em again, Zappy, and buy some more time!!

If you're fast enough, innocent Spaniards may not lose their lives....
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-03-08 6:18:08 PM||   2005-03-08 6:18:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 If that's the technical definition of pussy, Barbara, then yes.
Posted by trailing wife 2005-03-08 8:05:41 PM||   2005-03-08 8:05:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 So, Mr Bean is finding out kissing Jihadi ass doesn't work.

TFB.

Vote in a harder government, and we will talk. Otherwise, the US should start plans to pull out of Rota and all our other Spanish bases.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM||   2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#48 Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM||   2005-03-08 2:07:56 AM|| Front Page Top

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