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2022-02-28 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

They killed and raped. Residents of Donbass - about the crimes of the Kiev Nazis

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Posted by badanov 2022-02-28 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 Great fiction.

Posted by Elmaique Wittlesbach3954 2022-02-28 00:39|| 2022-02-28 00:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Really? The Ukraine Nazis are well-documented. Ever heard of the Azov batallion?

Posted by Punky Elmigum9411 2022-02-28 02:44|| 2022-02-28 02:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Not fiction: here are facts about your brave UA comrades fighting for a free and independent Nazi Ukraine, the Totenkopf-brandishing Waffen-SS worshippers who are linked to Nazi groups all over the world.

https://www.foiaresearch.net/organization/misanthropic-division

The Misanthropic Division is a world-wide neo-Nazi network, which in 2014 emerged in Ukraine, some of whose members fought as mercenaries against pro-Russian separatists in the war in Donbass. The Misanthropic division is closely linked to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, now part of Ukraine's National Guard. It fights for the independence of Ukraine - both from Russia and the European Union - with the goal of establishing a Nazi state.12

Amnesty International accuses them of serious human rights violations. The division maintains networks in Europe, USA, Canada, South America and Australia, which are also used to train and recruit fighters.3

Its members are considered racist and prone to violence. Among other things, they glorify National Socialism and the Waffen-SS. The Misanthropic Division is using a logo that is inspired by the Totenkopf (death's head) symbol that was one of the most readily recognized symbols of the Nazi Schutzstaffel (SS).

Posted by Shonter Sforza8432 2022-02-28 02:49|| 2022-02-28 02:49|| Front Page Top

#4 I would have no objection to a international investigation of Ukrainian, Russian and Donbass war crimes.

Posted by BernardZ 2022-02-28 03:42|| 2022-02-28 03:42|| Front Page Top

#5 No one wore angel wings in this.

Posted by badanov 2022-02-28 05:37|| 2022-02-28 05:37|| Front Page Top

#6 In the West the phrase is "making a mountain out of a mole hill". There are no 'good guys' when its all about power and has been for 4700 years of records.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-02-28 06:48|| 2022-02-28 06:48|| Front Page Top

#7 I always find the idea of Slavs as neo-Nazis amusing. Real Nazis considered Slavs as deserving of genocide as Jews, just that they had to conquer beyond Germany’s original borders to get started on the project.

Which means the Azov ones are really merely plain vanilla white supremacists in fancy dress with secret handshakes. The question I have for our Russian visitors is whether Azov cadres went to Russia for the usual white supremacist paramilitary training that so many other white supremacists and neo-Nazis have gotten in recent decades — as of two years ago the Russian Imperial Movement ran the Partizan military camp just outside St Petersburg, for instance.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-02-28 07:29|| 2022-02-28 07:29|| Front Page Top

#8 Last I checked, Kyiv is not in any of the regions that are dominated by Russians, that supposedly broke away. The Russian troops are no where near the areas they're supposedly going into Ukraine to protect.

The invasion isn't focused on protecting ethnic Russians -- it's about conquest.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-02-28 08:01|| 2022-02-28 08:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Just why are the Russian propagandists getting so much air time in this world?

Posted by 49 Pan 2022-02-28 08:24|| 2022-02-28 08:24|| Front Page Top

#10 Just why are the Russian propagandists getting so much air time in this world?

Not everything is a lie, so not everything is the truth.

I sent around video of Ukrainian militia crucifying someone seven years ago. Several on this forum saw the video, the same as I.

I have personal testimonials of Russian writers and militiamen whose family members suffered murder and mayhem at the hands of the Ukrainians.

No, you don't get a pass because you fail to remember, but are keen on reminding.

Posted by badanov 2022-02-28 08:36|| 2022-02-28 08:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Why bring this up now? Putin did a horrible job bringing the tragedies of the region to the world's attention. Blame him.

This invasion is because of Putin's failure to make a political solution.

Posted by Penguin_of_the_Desert 2022-02-28 08:40|| 2022-02-28 08:40|| Front Page Top

#12 Badanov, I am reminded of a phrase we Americans have heard from Russia and their useful idiots for decades: Maybe you should ask why they hate you so much.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-02-28 09:04|| 2022-02-28 09:04|| Front Page Top

#13 Ukraine's 'Azov' fighters seen greasing bullets in pig fat for Chechen Muslim invaders

Posted by Skidmark 2022-02-28 09:08|| 2022-02-28 09:08|| Front Page Top

#14 Badanov, I am reminded of a phrase we Americans have heard from Russia and their useful idiots for decades: Maybe you should ask why they hate you so much.

Non sequitur on your part, which is your style of debate.

Posted by badanov 2022-02-28 11:11|| 2022-02-28 11:11|| Front Page Top

#15 I wasn't trying to debate. I have no doubt they've done horrible things. But Putin doesn't seem to be interested in punishing them so much as building his empire.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-02-28 11:22|| 2022-02-28 11:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Not fiction: here are facts about your brave UA comrades fighting for a free and independent Nazi Ukraine, the Totenkopf-brandishing Waffen-SS worshippers who are linked to Nazi groups all over the world.

After living with Stalin, who could blame them?

Face it, communism sucks and now Putin's little oligarchy sucks. Nobody wants any part of it.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-02-28 11:40|| 2022-02-28 11:40|| Front Page Top

#17 There are two sides to every argument: the side that is taking the same line as the power elite, mainstream media and pro-regime propagandists.

Then there is the truth. You think you're going to get the truth from pro-war propaganda sources?

Posted by Sheter the Lesser9291 2022-02-28 12:08|| 2022-02-28 12:08|| Front Page Top

#18 Yeah, if this is all about poor, oppressed ethnic Russians in Donbass then why are Russian troops laying siege to Kiev?

I though Putin was justified when he took Crimea. That was never a part of Ukraine. But now he's has gone far enough and then some. He's made his point. Take Donbass if you must. Call it a great victory if that will save your face, and leave the rest of Ukraine alone.

Every country has a few racist red necks who like to play army. Even Russia has skin heads. Polite society will have nothing to do with them. How many of these misfits do you suppose there really are in Ukraine which has a Jewish president? Russia is great and strong and has nukes, right? So why are you so concerned about a handful of Ukrainian knuckleheads who can't even get jobs or girl friends?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-02-28 12:12|| 2022-02-28 12:12|| Front Page Top

#19 Then there is the truth. You think you're going to get the truth from pro-war propaganda sources?

You got your American corporate media propaganda and you got your Kremlin propaganda. If you believe either one of them you are a fool.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-02-28 12:16|| 2022-02-28 12:16|| Front Page Top

#20 Why can't you Germans and the rest of the world's Nazis stay the fuck out?

Here is reality: in Odessa on May 2014, Ukrainian Nazis slaughtered over 100 civilians -- burned them alive, shot them as they were trying to escape a burning building the Nazis set in fire, hacked them to pieces in the streets.

THIS IS FACT. There is extensive eyewitness evidence in the form of horrifying videos and photos of this barbarism. They're easily found -- search for photos Odessa fire massacre. They're authentic.

They document the same sort of barbarism that Nazis brought upon millions in Ukraine, and Russia and all across Europe.

Believe whatever makes you feel better but STOP DENYING THESE FACTS.

And German Nazi-deniers need to stay the fuck out. Haven't you done enough damage to the world already?

Posted by Shomoter Thud1920 2022-02-28 12:24|| 2022-02-28 12:24|| Front Page Top

#21 Nice of Russia to send one of its ~~Hitler Youth~~ Putin Puppets to spew propaganda trying to mask the war crimes of Russia with "whatabout-isms" of questionable veracity and provenance.

There are none without sin in this - but the Russians are the far greater ones by committing an overt act of war including war crimes against civilins as evidenced by independent video online, free of the spin of the various news agencies.

Lets start with a simple one: you can now try to provide justification for that armored vehicle that deliberately drove into and over an elderly person in a private vehicle that was simply attempting to drive away from the area.

Here's your clue: there is no excuse for it, any more than the allegation you make. Show incontrovertible evidence, not just your unsubstantiated one-sided anecdotes and deliberately slanted language designed to inflame rather than inform, also while omitting the crimes committed by the separatists as well.

And why is Russia using a notorious Chechen unit to do their dirty work? Evidence is there in the 56 vehicles and dead Chechen General that were attempting to hunt down President Zelensky.

There are no clean hands here, and what you seem to not understand is the things you describe, even if partially true, do not absolve Russia of being very much in the wrong in this full-scale invasion, on a far large and far worse level.

(hint: you're using one of the favorite tools of fascists and propagandists, its a fallacious argumentation technique called "tu quoque")

Posted by Chealing Chomotle4158 2022-02-28 12:35|| 2022-02-28 12:35|| Front Page Top

#22 MAY 9, 2014
Videos and Photos of the Odessan Massacre
BY ERIC ZUESSE

For the first time in history, an organized massacre of civilians has been filmed by many people from many different angles and perspectives while it was happening, and is documented in extraordinary detail in “real time,” the perpetrators having no fear of any negative consequences from their endeavor, and even cheering and celebrating the tortures and deaths as they

Background: On May 2nd, the Ukrainian Government in Kiev, located in the west, ordered local governments in the country’s east to take over the buildings that were being occupied by Russian-speaking Ukrainians who didn’t recognize the legitimacy of that newly installed and U.S.-supported Ukrainian government. There was violence in many cities, one being Odessa, where Russian-speaking Ukrainians were taken into the Trade Unions Building (viewed as leftist by the conservative political parties) and were massacred by burning, gunshots, and other means.

This video from George Eliason, an American living in Ukraine, shows the Trade Unions Building starting to be firebombed; then at 2:28 a big firebomb is blasted into the building and there are cheers, but by the end of the video the flames are strong and the sky can hardly be seen because of the dense smoke from the burning building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HOfLxp896I&feature=youtu.be

The next video shows the firebombs (Molotov cocktails) being thrown into the Odessa Trade Unions Building, and occupants escaping to the roof:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw – t=10

This next, very brief, video shows the burning building from the street, with someone (who is identified on other videos as “Mykola”) firing a gun in the direction of the burning building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnu0vteNto

This next video shows a crowd of anti Russian-speaking men from the neo-Nazi Pravy Sector (or “Right Sector,” paramilitary racist anti-Russian nationalist Ukrainian party) herding Russian-speaking Ukrainians into the burning building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvLukZZoTh8 – t=114

This video from Eliason shows members of Pravy Sector throwing stones and firing rifles into the building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rGl8N0gDU&feature=youtu.be

This brief video from Eliason shows people jumping out of windows from the burning building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgvkndn_vU&feature=youtu.be

This video from Eliason shows people with clubs beating to death to finish off several people who had just jumped from the windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgvkndn_vU&feature=youtu.be

This brief (2:06) video, which was uploaded to youtube on 6 May 2014,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKK3vUVvio&feature=youtu.be
shows an Odessan who is in a street-crowd right after the massacres had occurred on May 2nd, and he’s being asked questions about what had happened. A passerby with a cellphone recorded this brief interview, and the questions came from members of the crowd, who wanted his account.

Here’s a transcript of the video’s printed subscript’s English translation, retaining its typos exactly as they were shown in the film-clip (except that the curse-words aren’t shown letter-for-letter):

Those who were collecting the bodies said: we were walking on the dead bodies … [How many people got killed there?] If we take the whole day, 116. … They are burying them secretly.

They were collecting the bodies and finished off the wounded. [Did they poison them with some gas?] Not only with gas. They used stan granades, guns, traumatic guns, pump-action rifles. They chased the people into the building and finished them there. Two guys were clubbed to death with sticks. Is it normal? Is it a f–king united country?

They burned a woman with two children alive. In the first floor this woman and two children were killed. …

And the Media called us … I’m sorry but I will talk [to the media]! The Ukrainian [Kiev] Media call us terrorists. But the Right Sector [a Western-oriented neo-Nazi party, prominent in the new Kiev government], the wankers, chased us up to the roof of the builing. They threw Molotov Cocktails at us and cried ‘Death to enemies’. To what enemies [he asked them]? And then they cried [out in support of] ‘United Ukraine’. [He replied] F–k the United Ukraine. F–k this countrry [the newly installed government in Kiev]. [How all this was going chronologically?] Chronologically? They came … [Were there any children killed?] There were many children, women and old people murdered. They finished off the wounded. With headshots. They jumped on their heads. The police couldn’t do anything, they only cordoned off the building. The police tried to come up, a grenade burst among them, and they jumped on the dead bodies. [Where are the rest of the bodies?] The rest of the bodies are six kilometers from Odessa. We need to go there and take them. [unclear question] My name is Vania. [He turns to go.]

This news report by Eliason,
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Odessa–the-First-Pogrom-by-George-Eliason-Activism-Anti-War_Civil-Disobedience_Class-War_Obama-Warmonger-140507-595.html
includes photos from the event while it was happening, and also links to videos.

Among the still photos in it are these
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Odessa–the-First-Pogrom-by-George-Eliason-Activism-Anti-War_Civil-Disobedience_Class-War_Obama-Warmonger-140507-595.html
showing (as he titles them) “Pregant woman strangled with cord,” “Torture- Gasoline poured over his head,” and “Rape and torture victim.”

This next item is a picture of the burning building, and a list of the first 36 identified corpses:
http://www.unian.net/politics/914899-stali-izvestnyi-imena-36-pogibshih-v-stolknoveniyah-v-odesse.html

This group of photos includes both the photo of the strangled pregnant woman and the video recorded from the ground below while she was screaming for help:
http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html

The following 59-second video taken right before the operation shows local Odessa police forces en-masse refusing to participate in it, dropping their shields and walking off, instead of following their instructions from the central government in Kiev:
http://users.livejournal.com/_devol_/882549.html
The Ukrainian title right below that video translates as “Part of the Odessa Police refused to stand in the cordon.”

Next is a photo of two Right Sector girls smiling into the camera while carrying Molotov cocktails to the building to join in the massacre:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203476189495505&set=a.4248624383967.167315.1536441281&type=1&theater

The following 9-minute video was taken by a Right Sector person wandering through the wrecked burnt-out building on the night of May 2nd after the job was done, to inspect the corpses and record with pride and satisfaction the results of a day’s work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9_z6Cdf3g

The last two mentioned items are linked to on May 2nd, the very day of the events, at this informative blogpost:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/05/ukraine-imf-lose-the-east-and-get-more-money/comments/page/2/
where the 9-minute video is described thusly: “The people either suffocated to death or/and were beaten to death. The fascists are searching the corpses for their identification and names and contacts of their friends … apparently to put them on the list of further fascist terror.” Wallets are taken, etc., for that investigative purpose. So, the victims’ families might now also be in danger.

Also linked-to there is a photo of a coterie of about 6 girls pouring from a gasoline can into beer-bottles to make the Molotov cocktails. They looked like a group of friends simply enjoying a street-party:
http://www.politnavigator.net/opublikovany-snimki-ulybayushhikhsya-aktivistok-gotovyashhikh-koktejjli-molotova-v-odesse-foto.html

Here is the ultimate group of videos:
http://scgnews.com/odessa-massacre-evidence-the-mainstream-media-wont-show-you-warning-disturbing-footage

Here are key parts translated from the transcript of the lengthiest video there:
0.43-47 “Let us burn those motherf–kers right in the building, f–king faggots”
1.08 Everything around is already burning. Injured people are lying on the ground.
1.18 1.20 Maidan activist Mykola is running and shooting at people, who are trying to escape from the window.
5.40-5.50 attackers throw more fire to the window and then are shouting “GOAL!!!”
6.25 – 7.13 Mykola … is shooting at people who are trying to catch air and are seen from the window.
8.10 Maidan activists are telling each other to go to the backyard, because people are trying to escape from there
8.26 Crowd is shouting “They are escaping! Run to the backyard!”
14.15 People, who are still alive are shouting “Police, you have been bought as scums and all of you will go to prison afterwards!”
14.41 Man from the window is shouting “Citizens of Odessa city, rise up!”
16.40 People start to jump from the window. 2, 3, 4 dead bodies. [Not shown, but only mentioned in the conversation.]
21.00 Still alive girls are shouting from the second and third floor.
23.00 Burning man has fallen from the window. Crowd is happy.

And here are still-shots of the burnt corpses:
http://fishki.net/anti/1266149-zhertvy-odessy-dom-profsojuzov.html?mode=profile:396961:posts

Posted by Jiggs Omomotle4644 2022-02-28 12:35|| 2022-02-28 12:35|| Front Page Top

#23 Stop denying this. Have some human dignity.

You are sitting at your keyboards cheering on the slaughter as if you were at a football match. And your imbecilic leaders' foolish actions are plunging the world into chaos. Disgusting.

Go back to your daily lives and stop making this horrific situation even worse.

Posted by Neville Ulonter9769 2022-02-28 12:39|| 2022-02-28 12:39|| Front Page Top

#24 Go back to your daily lives and stop making this horrific situation even worse.

For many of us here, rantburg.com is our daily lives.

Posted by badanov 2022-02-28 12:44|| 2022-02-28 12:44|| Front Page Top

#25 Speaking only for myself: The commenters saying America is some kind of failure and unreliable partner if we won't spill the last drop of American kids' blood and spend the last zinc penny of American treasure in a fight that is not ours, all y'all can go f*ck yerselves.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-02-28 12:51|| 2022-02-28 12:51|| Front Page Top

#26 The "Odessa Massacre" bloody shirt Russians love to wave around started started as a soccer hooligan style faceoff (stick, stones). It turned deadly when a Russian dickhead began shooting into Ukrainian side and killed 2 and wounded more.

Posted by Ulolump Grumble1426 2022-02-28 12:54|| 2022-02-28 12:54|| Front Page Top

#27 I'm old enough to remember the Kuwaiti ambassador admitting he lied about Iraqi soldiers killing babies in the hospital with the explanation that he'd do whatever it took to free his country.

I've seen the same people, sometimes dead, sometimes wounded, sometimes as ambulance drivers in Palestine propaganda.

I don't trust anything if I don't know the witness or they don't have good video from multiple angles showing an event.

Posted by ruprecht 2022-02-28 12:55|| 2022-02-28 12:55|| Front Page Top

#28 Disgusting denials.

For the love of God, show some humanity.

Posted by Chiting Glearong3246 2022-02-28 12:57|| 2022-02-28 12:57|| Front Page Top

#29 Disgusting denials.

Like climate denial and COVID denial, raycizm denial and Gen. Pinochet denial, it's all in the eye of the beholder.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-02-28 13:06|| 2022-02-28 13:06|| Front Page Top

#30 Do read Sōrös' own words if you want to understand just wtf this is all about instead of going bwaahaa the humanity! It is not America's fight. Only a fool would interfere on behalf of Europe in this.

Euromaidan-sōrōs-EU-Marshall plan

Soros funded Euromaidan 'protesters' through the International Renaissance Foundation. He supported the anti-Russkie propaganda, and egged on Ukraine to join join join the EU. It's all the globalists, people. Gobbling up sovereignty by selling supranationalism to weak flunky leaders, getting the US, utter fools to fight to consolidate everything and everyone and make the whole world 'sanctionable', then engineering all that power into hands like Biden or Kamala's. So that when the time comes no society is protected by strong nationalist leaders and everything and everyone can be coerced.

This battle is not of one asshole trying to prove a point or save lost glory. It's about two paradigms of Nationhood. A flunky leadership under a supranation protected and policed by NATO, and a militarized sovereign State that will protect its sphere of influence at any cost.

Everything else is noise created by the media, and when all media and all organizations reach consesus on cancelling something, forgive me if I don't start nodding my head. Recent history has taught me to be exceeding skeptical about their labels and explanations.

Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-02-28 13:39|| 2022-02-28 13:39|| Front Page Top

#31 I was willing to be sympathetic to Russia until last night, American time, when I read that President Putin ordered Russia’s nuclear forces to step up to combat readiness.

What humanity is there in Russia dropping nuclear bombs?

Posted by trailing wife 2022-02-28 13:46|| 2022-02-28 13:46|| Front Page Top

#32 Re #7: TW, I am continually amazed at the breath of your knowledge and the level of detail. Please tell me you're not actually a seven member, cigar-smoking, CIA team.

Posted by Mercutio 2022-02-28 15:34|| 2022-02-28 15:34|| Front Page Top

#33 It's far worse, she's a woman a brain. That right there demonstrates why she's not CIA

Posted by Silentbrick 2022-02-28 17:26|| 2022-02-28 17:26|| Front Page Top

#34 Now reports of a cease fire. Which all decent and normal humans want.

Posted by Clavigum Dingle7551 2022-02-28 17:28|| 2022-02-28 17:28|| Front Page Top

#35 Make no mistake, there are hundreds possibly thousands of brilliant people at the analytic (Klingon worker bee) levels. They read the same Open Source stuff we read. They draft the same hypotheticals we draft. They 'live stream' the same CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, AP, Rueters, networks news we do. Possibly 95% or of what is out there is UNCLAS. The analysts simply connect the dots and answer the "so foking wat" questions. The stories, assessments, and finished products get hijacked and politicized to fit popular narratives at the Director's staff level.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-02-28 17:34|| 2022-02-28 17:34|| Front Page Top

#36 Putin said he knows the killers of Odessa. Strange that for 8 years he hasn't bothered to tell us, let alone Interpol.

Posted by European Conservative 2022-02-28 17:52|| 2022-02-28 17:52|| Front Page Top

#37 Have some human dignity.

I keep seeing this phrase. Is it just local to our commenters or is this a Message of the Day?

The analysts simply connect the dots and answer the "so foking wat" questions.

I always wanted to be that guy. Especially after watching Three Days of the Condor. Faye Dunaway was so hot.

Posted by SteveS 2022-02-28 19:26|| 2022-02-28 19:26|| Front Page Top

#38 "This is the major". LOL That was on TV here last week...watched it again.

Posted by DooDahMan 2022-02-28 19:49|| 2022-02-28 19:49|| Front Page Top

#39 Obviously, these are the points the Russian apologists have been ordered to use. They are showing up everywhere, the little fascists.

And unless there are many of you assigned here, which I doubt, please stick to one name instead of a new one with every post.

And you still haven't answered the question: what is the justification for a full war, and the observed war crimes by the Russian forces, and now the attacks and deaths of civilians? Hmm, bubby? I noticed you haven't dared to take that on. You bootlickers never have the spine or brains to deviate too much from the directed script. You are amusing calling for "humanity" when you are defending the ones being inhumane.

Posted by Chealing Chomotle4158 2022-02-28 22:07|| 2022-02-28 22:07|| Front Page Top

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