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2008-02-28 -Short Attention Span Theater-

HuffPo: Government concedes link between vaccinations and autism

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Posted by gorb 2008-02-28 03:42|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 I wonder when they'll discover an analagous 'combination effect' responsible for Gulf War Syndrome? Which reminds me - I haven't heard anything about that sort of thing with Gulf War II - what's changed? Vaccines? Chemical weapons exposure? Or are we just not hearing about the cases this time?

There's an inherent problem with any vaccine - it reduces a risk but is not without risk itself, and balancing those risks is only possible statistically. You maximize the effectiveness and minimize the risk for the group (and these factors change over time, as knowledge improves), BUT there will always be the individuals who are the negative side of the statistical balance. Which ones are actually victims of the vaccine, and which were just coincidentally afflicted? We'll probably never know. Does society provide care for them all? A fraction of care for all according to some statistical estimate of proportion of cause? A jackpot for a few (and their lawyers)? None - 'sucks to be you'? This is the kind of scenario that eventually leads to nationalized health care.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-02-28 07:37|| 2008-02-28 07:37|| Front Page Top

#2
Do the facts check out?

If it's on HuffPo, I'd bet they don't.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2008-02-28 08:43|| 2008-02-28 08:43|| Front Page Top

#3 Betcha John Edwards will be on this like flies on ... Poppa needs a new 10,000 s.f. extension.

RISKS OF MERCURY AND VACCINES
According to FDA analysis in 2005, tuna fish contains 0.64 micrograms of mercury for each gram of tuna. A 60 gram portion (about two ounces) would contain 38.4 micrograms of mercury. By contrast, vaccine manufacturers using thimerosal (a mercury containing compound) as the preservative are adding between 12.5 and 25 micrograms of mercury per dose of vaccine.

Thimerosal and Autism
Thimerosal a preservative still used in the influenza vaccine contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury. Studies comparing ethylmercury and methylmercury suggest that they are processed differently in the human body. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted much more rapidly than methylmercury. Therefore, ethylmercury (the type of mercury in the influenza vaccine) is much less likely than methylmercury (the type of mercury in the environment) to accumulate in the body and cause harm.

I think scientists will find a much stronger link checking the parents DNA. Finding older parents, esp w/ the older mother's damaged mitochondrial DNA.

Posted by ed 2008-02-28 09:11|| 2008-02-28 09:11|| Front Page Top

#4 I watched the medical testimony about this before congress, and no matter what medical people were testifying, they all drew the same conclusion: it's a numbers game.

That is, *any* vaccination is going to mess a small percentage of people up, one way or another. It is unavoidable.

HOWEVER, *not* vaccinating is going to be a hundred times worse, not just in death, but in lifelong impairment and terrible injury.

Every year the medical community has to *fight* to get children vaccinated, against parents who are afraid of needles, against parents who are utterly ignorant of the diseases being vaccinated against, and against the imbeciles who reject vaccination entirely because of religious or bizarre reasons, like the belief that if they are just filthy and septic enough, their immune system will protect them against all illness.

And were these fools just hurting themselves, they could be allowed to suffer and die for their foolishness. However, they put those whose vaccinations didn't take or didn't last at extreme risk as well.

The *only* reason vaccinations are combined is that more than one shot would befuddle even more parents.

And you could see the stressful frustration on the faces of all the medical people testifying.

"Yes, it may cause a few cases of autism. We don't know if it does, or why. But even talking about it is going to convince a lot of people that their children don't need vaccinations at all. And this means that tens or hundreds of thousands of children could face horrible injury or death."

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-28 09:32|| 2008-02-28 09:32|| Front Page Top

#5 I love this shit...I heard the rumors about this over 2 years ago. So, finally, after another batch of infected children, we can take action.
Keep the gubmint out of my life pullease.

Posted by wxjames 2008-02-28 10:16|| 2008-02-28 10:16|| Front Page Top

#6 I've got THREE shot records, very distressing. Just makes me want to spin this mouse like a cowboy lasso.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-02-28 10:43|| 2008-02-28 10:43|| Front Page Top

#7 That's a nomination for a Darwin Award, wxjames. Where would we be today without polio vaccinations, etc.? You are either very young or have a short memory.

Posted by Darrell 2008-02-28 10:44|| 2008-02-28 10:44|| Front Page Top

#8 It's the Huffington Post. Research has been done that disproves the vaccine-autism link. The reason the number of children diagnosed with autism spectrum disorders has gone up is that more doctors, psychiatrists and therapists recognize the symptoms of high functioning autism and Asperger's Syndrome as an actual disorder rather than mere social awkwardness or nerdiness... or ADHD, the medication for which makes things worse for autistics instead of better. Research in the past decade indicates that there are three times as many people in the high functioning range of the spectrum of autism disorders as there are those with the classic symptoms: non-verbal, non-responsive, repetitious rituals, and temper tantrums when prevented from doing what they want.

So more children and adolescents are getting the help they need, rather than becoming "that brilliant kid who dropped out of high school and never could keep a proper job". Mostly the help is overt training in recognizing social cues and learning the proper responses, because they simply don't recognize facial expressions and voice changes that signal how others are responding.

A decade ago an English girlfriend of mine had to move her family to London to get a proper diagnoses and treatment for her preschool-aged daughter with Asperger's, because that's where the only doctor in the country with expertise on subject has her practice. She had to send her daughter to an expensive public school in Surrey, because the community schools weren't able to work with her child. In contrast, my local high school in an outer suburb in the Midwest is willing to work to accommodate the needs of even mild Aspberger's in their students, and several of the local universities have professors in their psychology departments and medical schools teaching about the condition. Finally, most colleges and universities recognize high functioning autism and Asperger's syndrome as learning disabilities, and are willing to accommodate such students' needs. A big, big difference in just ten years.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-02-28 10:47|| 2008-02-28 10:47|| Front Page Top

#9 From his bio (always read the bio, especially in the Huffy) it sounds like the only subject I would listen to this guy about is his expertise on the inability to hold a steady job...

Posted by tu3031 2008-02-28 10:51|| 2008-02-28 10:51|| Front Page Top

#10 Speaking of GWI syndrome the malaria drug I have been asked to take has a small line that states "Can bond to and or alter DNA" I found that very interesting. I showed it to my local doctor becuase I asked if there was something else that didn't do this. It may have a direct relation to the GWI syndrome. The vaccines taken in the 60's had roughly 21 componds today they are loaded with about 120. This concerns me greatly there maybe things going on with these that have not been seen yet. A link to autism I don't know. I would be more inclined to look at what is in Infamile and or the combination of vaccines and Infamile for cause and effect. I high dose of B12 and low B6 can lead to irreversable nerve damage and blindness. Looks like MS on a scan. Infamile is packed full of such vitamins.

Posted by Ho Chi Theresh4727">Ho Chi Theresh4727 2008-02-28 11:10|| 2008-02-28 11:10|| Front Page Top

#11 Don't like the Huff but ask yourselves this. Why in the fuking hell would you put ANY kind of mercury in a child's shot? I know why the companies did it but quite frankly it is idiotic at best.

I can only hope that none of the other Burgers are dealing with an autistic child.

1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteen fold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

Those are hard numbers to screw with. Rant over.

http://coonlakebeach.com/autism.htm

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2008-02-28 11:45|| 2008-02-28 11:45|| Front Page Top

#12 Ask some of these parents who are afraid to have their children vaccinated if they ever smoked pot or took LSD or cocaine.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-02-28 15:52|| 2008-02-28 15:52|| Front Page Top

#13 You need the thimerosal because it's a preservative. You don't want to give poorly-preserved vaccines to children. The thimerosal kills bacteria, and does so for a long, long time, so that you can store and transport the vaccine.

From a scientific, technical point of view, the HuffPo article is a crock of shit. Technically speaking.

The incidence and prevalence of autism has increased because we recognize it better, and doctors are more able to make the diagnosis. Trailing wife has it exactly right. It has nothing to do with vaccines, mercury, power lines or the Builderbergers.

Failing to vaccinate children against devestating, common pediatric infections is a crime against society. Vaccination is part of public health 101. Everybody has to do it. My regrets to the very, very few who suffer a terrible side-effect (1 in about 3 million these days), but it has to be done.

You don't drink contaminated water. You don't eat rotten food. You don't poop in the streets.

And you don't go without your vaccinations.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-02-28 16:06|| 2008-02-28 16:06|| Front Page Top

#14 The incidence and prevalence of autism has increased because we recognize it better, and doctors are more able to make the diagnosis.

I can understand this in terms of ADD/ADHD/ etc. But it is my understanding that the incidence of severe autism has increased dramatically, too. In the last few years we have seen the incidence of severe autism skyrocket. If the people who are now being diagnosed as autistic were pulled from those who were considered mentally retarded before, then we should be seeing the numbers of those who are mentally retarded plummet. But I don't think we are. Personally, I think something is going on, because even going by living memory, when people are able to review their pasts in light of the latest thinking, there seems to be more of a problem than 20 years ago. And the kids I've seen in the special ed classes today, who are far more numberous today than when I was growing up, would in no way fit into the classes I was in while growing up.

And although the HuffPo is usually, err, "questionable", it's hard to argue the fact that the court agreed that there was a link. Unless the guy totally screwed with what the case was all about, which I doubt.

In any case, it seems as though until further research is done, it might be better to skip the stuff that is riskier than developing autism, and to spread out what is necessary to take so the child doesn't get hammered by a too big a dose of whatever might be in those vaccinations.

Posted by gorb 2008-02-28 18:33|| 2008-02-28 18:33|| Front Page Top

#15 Iceriger, 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth

In a lot of cases, within hours or days--makes little diff.

And that is the problem. An infant needs at least 4 months to develop internal defences and coping mechanisms, happens earlier when child is breastfed (by a healthy mother, no junkie), later when not. 6 months is the right time for the first batch of vaccines, followed by the second batch at the age of 12 months and the third at 20-24 months. That was was the case with me and look, I am almost normal! ;-)

I insisted on the same vaccination time schedule for both my daughters.

Posted by twobyfour 2008-02-28 18:46|| 2008-02-28 18:46|| Front Page Top

#16 I can't imagine why any healthy person would get a flu shot. Good grief - why not just get a bubble and put yourself inside it?

It certainly makes sense for elderly, sick, at risk, etc. to get their flu shots. But I decided never get a flu shot unless I needed one when they started having "shortages" and whipping up media hysteria over them, complete with pictures of people waiting outside in the cold to be in line for a flu shot.

The whole flu shot thing strikes me the same way that the human pamploma virus did - a big money project where lobbists are hired, television commercials are run and hysteria is manufactured all for the sake of billions of dollars in government contracts.

Posted by Crease Poodle1618 2008-02-28 18:59|| 2008-02-28 18:59|| Front Page Top

#17 Crease - I get a flu shot every year. I can't think why one wouldn't, except for an allergy to eggs. Aside from the fact that I don't want to miss work, and I really don't want to be sick as a gut-shot dog, I'm extremely susceptible to flu, bronchitis, etc.

It's your choice, of course, but I think I would be an idiot not to get one, so I plan on getting one when they first come out, and I take as much care as I can not to be exposed in the first place (including using Purell a lot and wearing a mask when picking up patients who even might have the flu or something else equally catching).

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-02-28 19:55|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-02-28 19:55|| Front Page Top

#18 They put the preservatives in the vaccines so they have a longer shelf life while not refrigerated.

It's simply a cost saving measure that is completely unnecessary in this day and age.

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2008-02-28 20:07|| 2008-02-28 20:07|| Front Page Top

#19 Barb, never got any flu shots and hopefully never will.

I can afford to be sick as a dog for 3 days every few years. It is priming my defenses. Don't have ny allergies except for sugar. And it seems that since I eliminated it from my diet, I can cope with flus/colds much better, it is gone within a day.

I often wondered why some were calling sugar a "white death". I do understnd now.

Posted by twobyfour 2008-02-28 20:20|| 2008-02-28 20:20|| Front Page Top

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