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2014-02-24 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Ukraine: Western Powers Sleepwalking Into Destructive Conflict

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-02-24 02:34|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 'Western Powers' is probably an archaic term.

Posted by phil_b 2014-02-24 07:21|| 2014-02-24 07:21|| Front Page Top

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-24 07:39|| 2014-02-24 07:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Followed that link. Man there are a lot of Jew-hating wack jobs in the world aren't there? Then there are the plain ol' wackos, sickies and Democrats....

Posted by AlanC 2014-02-24 07:48|| 2014-02-24 07:48|| Front Page Top

#4 And the people Putin's flying monkeys are executing this week in Venezuela, are those just tranzies to you?

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 12:11|| 2014-02-24 12:11|| Front Page Top

#5 Yeah, there seems to be a complete disconnect between Venezuela and or Kazakhstan/Thailand violence and Ukraine goings-on. Alot of name calling and what-not.

Posted by bigjim-CA 2014-02-24 12:59|| 2014-02-24 12:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Relevance Thing?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-02-24 13:01|| 2014-02-24 13:01|| Front Page Top

#7 They're completely disconnected if you haven't been paying attention for the last decade and a half. What's happening in Venezuela is happening because Putin's proxies managed to steal elections for the last decade and a half and pretty much destroyed Venezuela's economy and ability-to-produce-oil, which is where Putin gets his power.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 13:03|| 2014-02-24 13:03|| Front Page Top

#8 The relevance is, you've apparently divided the world into Russian Nationalists vs. tranzi internationalist stooges. I am merely pointing out one place where the Russian Nationalists have turned a country into a a decrepit bankrupt colony of theirs, in such a manner that we should recognize as the behavior of an enemy.

This should concern you because the people they use as proxies have a) been massively antisemetic in the recent past (as in the last five years) b) their alliances involve not only Russia but other countries that are also enemies of yours (i.e. Iran).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 13:09|| 2014-02-24 13:09|| Front Page Top

#9 What's happening in Venezuela is happening because Putin's proxies managed to steal elections for the last decade and a half and pretty much destroyed Venezuela's economy and ability-to-produce-oil, which is where Putin gets his power.

And did you notice mass media dealing with Venezuela the way they deal with Ukraine? Did you wonder why not?

p.s. How about you Americans focus on freeing your own country? Because I can assure you, the regime you have now will evolve into something that would've made Pol Pot shudder.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-02-24 13:12|| 2014-02-24 13:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey, the United States has Alzheimer's. I realize that. My pointing out that we should be doing _effective_ things against Putin (for instance, stop writing him checks and stop supporting his economy by deindustrializing ours in the name of global warming) is part of how I am trying to counter the dementia both here and elsewhere.

It would be nice if the rest of the world really was going to leave us alone while we fixed things, but I don't think this is the case, and I think those who say otherwise are a bunch of wilfully blind idiot tranzis.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 13:30|| 2014-02-24 13:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Thing, all I'm saying is just think who benefited by all "Western" interventions in the last 20 years. Can you give me one example of it being (never mind good guys) somebody we can live with?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-02-24 14:07|| 2014-02-24 14:07|| Front Page Top

#12 We cleaned FARC out of Colombia and when we invaded Iraq we got Gaddafi to give up a whole lot of intel about the AQ Khan network. Apparently a lot of that intel was useful in providing hardware examples (centrifuges and industrial controllers for same) that were used to help write the Stuxnet virus.

And yes, President Idiot has managed to throw away Iraq and he's working hard (and succeeding) at throwing away the couple years' worth of grace we got from Stuxnet. (And, I'd note, in the process threw away the ability to do anything about Syria and Lebanon, which are Iran's Airstrip/Rocket-launching-pad One).

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 14:18|| 2014-02-24 14:18|| Front Page Top

#13 I don't agree, I think Iraq was doomed to become an Iranian dependent the moment power was transferred to Shia majority.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-02-24 14:55|| 2014-02-24 14:55|| Front Page Top

#14 I think Iraq was doomed to become an Iranian dependent the moment power was transferred to Shia majority.

I recall several years back media stories about how the strength of Iraqi nationalist sentiments would overcome shia sunni differences. A load of BS.

The Left always views the world as a morality tale, with good and bad actors, which it rarely is.

As for Ukraine, the calls for unity will only set the scene for violent separation. Better to accept its going to happen and do it in a peaceful negotiated way.

Posted by phil_b 2014-02-24 15:19|| 2014-02-24 15:19|| Front Page Top

#15 How did the Czech Republic and Slovakia pull it off? [a peaceful separation, that is]

Posted by Bobby 2014-02-24 15:49|| 2014-02-24 15:49|| Front Page Top

#16 Iraq just announced an arms deal worth billions with Iran.

Posted by Omavising Ebbemp9815 2014-02-24 17:47|| 2014-02-24 17:47|| Front Page Top

#17 If it were Doomed To Happen it wouldn't have needed to be put off until President Shit Midas got into office.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2014-02-24 19:17|| 2014-02-24 19:17|| Front Page Top

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