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2007-02-17 Britain

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Posted by Fred 2007-02-17 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "Britain is on the brink of becoming a decivilised society in which adults are no longer able to exert discipline over the young, risking the potential barbarism of the rule-less society"

Ummm, "on the brink"? I thought they'd tipped over the edge a couple of years ago....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2007-02-17 00:14|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2007-02-17 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 The Lord moves in mysterious ways.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-02-17 05:11|| 2007-02-17 05:11|| Front Page Top

#3 contempt for some people doing much better than others

I believe this is referred to as class envy.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-02-17 06:50|| 2007-02-17 06:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Which Lord, g? The Lord of Hosts or the Lord of the Flies? (Lord of the Flies = Ba'al zebub).

Posted by Hank 2007-02-17 06:56|| 2007-02-17 06:56|| Front Page Top

#5 "We need to empower teachers so that they can exert the control that too many parents are unwilling or unable to exert."

I thought they'd decided that spanking was torture. They must mean they're going to really chew out their kids. Or maybe send their teens to their electronics-filled rooms for time outs.

Posted by Jules 2007-02-17 08:58|| 2007-02-17 08:58|| Front Page Top

#6 "Britain is on the brink of becoming a decivilised society in which adults are no longer able to exert discipline over the young, risking the potential barbarism of the rule-less society"

Nothing new here.
Physical intimidation is the only thing that works with some deprived yoofs.

My name is Ship, have attitude, will travel.

Posted by Shipman 2007-02-17 09:06|| 2007-02-17 09:06|| Front Page Top

#7 at least the kids will have high self esteem

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-02-17 09:13|| 2007-02-17 09:13|| Front Page Top

#8 This is neither "New" or "News".

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-02-17 09:48|| 2007-02-17 09:48|| Front Page Top

#9 Simple solution. International law has clearly determined that military field garrison conditions are not cruel or inhumane. This means tents, field kitchens, latrines, field showers, etc.

So the English government builds a dozen of these field camps out in the boonies. Any young person given an ASBO is sent there with what amounts to internal deportation.

The camps are managed under military discipline, and internees are issued military uniforms without insignia, just a name tape. As needed, the internees perform manual labor.

Good behavior and performance might result in being transferred to a military training facility for induction into the army.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-02-17 10:23|| 2007-02-17 10:23|| Front Page Top

#10 Right. Makes perfect sense 'moose, sorta like the Sheriff's prison camp? The one with the green baloney?

BALONEY

Posted by Shipman 2007-02-17 13:00|| 2007-02-17 13:00|| Front Page Top

#11 We've seen the progression of this for the last 40 years, both in Europe and the US. The destruction of parental responsibility by "experts", the prizing of "self-esteem" over "achievement", and the entire "juvenile delinquent" masquerade. We've failed to discipline children, we've failed to institute the idea that antisocial behavior will result in meaningful negative consequences, and that some behavior is good, some bad. This entire "relevancy" idiocy is destroying society. Notice who the people are behind it. I doubt their motives are all that sincere.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-02-17 13:44|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-02-17 13:44|| Front Page Top

#12 Prediction: the Labor government forms a 'commission' to 'study the problem'. A report is issued with much fanfare. And things continue to spiral downward.

Posted by DMFD 2007-02-17 13:45|| 2007-02-17 13:45|| Front Page Top

#13 Shipman: to a great extent like Joe Arpaio's tent jails. Not everything Arpaio has done has been wrong. His tent cities can be cited as a pretty good alternative to building endless brick prisons.

This does not mean that they need to inhumane places. It does not mean that feeding prisoners substandard food, or not enough of it, is acceptable. Nor making prisoners bury the indigent dead, nor forcing them to kill shelter animals.

I even advocate the use of tent cities for illegal immigrants, and putting such cities near the borders as internment camps while they await deportation. Nothing inhumane about it at all.

Right now England is letting prisoners go due to overcrowding. And because their government won't pay for new prisons, the logical alternative is to use army surplus equipment and make inexpensive tent cities.

Once they do so, such cities would make excellent "diversion programs" for unemployed young men who have received ASBOs. Under military discipline.

Oh, and sorry to read about your personal problem.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-02-17 14:41|| 2007-02-17 14:41|| Front Page Top

#14 The Lord, G*d of Israel, Hank.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-02-17 14:46|| 2007-02-17 14:46|| Front Page Top

#15 The Lord, G*d of Israel, Hank.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-02-17 14:48|| 2007-02-17 14:48|| Front Page Top

#16 Shipman: to a great extent like Joe Arpaio's tent jails. Not everything Arpaio has done has been wrong. His tent cities can be cited as a pretty good alternative to building endless brick prisons.

This does not mean that they need to inhumane places. It does not mean that feeding prisoners substandard food, or not enough of it, is acceptable. Nor making prisoners bury the indigent dead, nor forcing them to kill shelter animals.

I even advocate the use of tent cities for illegal immigrants, and putting such cities near the borders as internment camps while they await deportation. Nothing inhumane about it at all.

Right now England is letting prisoners go due to overcrowding. And because their government won't pay for new prisons, the logical alternative is to use army surplus equipment and make inexpensive tent cities.

Once they do so, such cities would make excellent "diversion programs" for unemployed young men who have received ASBOs. Under military discipline.

Oh, and sorry to read about your personal problem.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-02-17 15:48|| 2007-02-17 15:48|| Front Page Top

#17 :> 'Moosey. A good dose of MooseDust always cheers me up.

Thanks in advance for the tons you send.

Posted by Shipman 2007-02-17 16:34|| 2007-02-17 16:34|| Front Page Top

#18 Don't it turn your brown eye blue.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-02-17 17:21|| 2007-02-17 17:21|| Front Page Top

#19 There are no new problems, just new people.

Posted by Glavick Ularong2797 2007-02-17 19:39|| 2007-02-17 19:39|| Front Page Top

#20 So all the Droogs in England will be hanging out at the "milk-bar"?

Posted by 3dc 2007-02-17 19:51|| 2007-02-17 19:51|| Front Page Top

#21 As a teacher in a Catholic middle school,I can tell you the same problem(s) exist in the private sector also. The parents want us to do the job they can't or won't do, but only on their terms...which have been shown to be totally ineffective. Until parents are willing to accept responsibility for the lack of control/discipline/accountability/etc. they have engendered in their children, the teachers in both [ublic and private schools are fighting a losing battle.

Posted by WolfDog 2007-02-17 22:47|| 2007-02-17 22:47|| Front Page Top

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