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2005-02-13 Europe

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Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 14:48|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Sorry, something went wrong with the link.

It was about now when the sirens started howling... and the fire we had sent out returned to us.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 2:50:52 PM|| 2005-02-13 2:50:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Here's the link.

...the fire we had sent out returned to us.

Come, come, TGA: is this the modern spirit? No, Europe must heal its wounds. What you should say is, "Weren't we all equally victims of American bombs?" That is how Europe brings itself together in these times.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2005-02-13 3:36:08 PM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2005-02-13 3:36:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Yeah, those British planes were just proxies, puppets of the Amerikkkan regime...

(Fixed the link TGA, glad you have a few minutes for us at RB)

Posted by Seafarious 2005-02-13 3:48:06 PM|| 2005-02-13 3:48:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I know what you are alluding at, Angie, but I'm not in the mood for sarcasm.

The burning of Dresden started on November 9th 1938 when the Synagogue built by Semper was burnt down in the Kristallnacht.

Please note that the overwhelming majority of Dresden has long made its peace with the British and Americans.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 3:52:30 PM|| 2005-02-13 3:52:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Dresden is a symbol of the horrors of total war. To me, who to blame means nothing in a situation like this. Total war is something that those of us who have not expierenced can not fathom. The bombing of Dresden was and is a tragedy. The bombing of London was a tragedy. Much as we don't like it and wish to avoid it there were, and may be in the future, times when total war is the only acceptable alternative to cultural annihilation.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2005-02-13 4:29:31 PM|| 2005-02-13 4:29:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 I know what you are alluding at, Angie, but I'm not in the mood for sarcasm.

The attitude to which I'm alluding (which I admit I have only seen sporadically) is shocking and appalling, and makes me uneasy for the future. But perhaps my wit was ill-timed. I certainly didn't mean to snark at you.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2005-02-13 5:16:55 PM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2005-02-13 5:16:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 that bombing was as shamefull as the camps

Posted by euroman 2005-02-13 5:29:16 PM|| 2005-02-13 5:29:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 LOL! Yep. Only difference between Nazis and Republicans is than Republicans cheat to get elected.

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-13 5:33:48 PM|| 2005-02-13 5:33:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 It is on these days when I get so wary of classical media coverage. Yesterday, in Munich, maybe 1000 or 2000 people took to the street protesting the Security Conference. A weird assortment of "peace activists" they were, waving Che Guevara (how peaceful was he?) and even Soviet (!) flags. The media cameras zoom in and you get a totally wrong impression of what was going on in Munich on that day. Zoom out to wide angle and you see regular street life, people shopping and not even stopping for a second to look at the demonstrators, some just shrugging or shaking their heads in annoyment or disbelief.

Yet this is a scene you won't see.

Google "Dresden" on Google News today and most entries make a big story of the assortment of Neo-Nazis parading through the city. Again, what you don't see is the overwhelming majority of Dresdeners wearing white roses as a symbol of peace, reconciliation and protest against Nazis (The "White Rose" was a student resistance movement against the Nazis in 1943). In the Kreuzkirche, pastors of Coventry and Rotterdam read the sermons together with a German pastor and a Jewish rabbi.

Which photo did stick?

Blogs will become ever more important.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 5:46:02 PM|| 2005-02-13 5:46:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Dresden and the Tokyo fire bombings and Hiroshima and Nagasaki are all examples of what happens when one culture finds it necessary to eliminate another culture. And just as the Nazis and the Japanese Empire got their due, the Islamic world will get the same if it cannot get its evil tendencies under control. Islamic fundamentalists with missiles and atomic bombs are no different than Nazis with missiles and atomic bombs. And while I feel for the innocents, my family members who had to fight in WWII and the workers in the World Trade Center were innocents too.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-13 6:07:53 PM|| 2005-02-13 6:07:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 This may offend some people.

I am not sorry but I feel no remorse for Dresden. I don't think I ever will. The people who freely elected and supported Hitler were and are guilty. Who started WW2? When it came back to Germany are we are supposed to feel sorry? Sorry? According to my late father I lost an uncle in the Battle of the Bulge just prior to this bombing of Dresden. Tell it to my dead Uncle I never knew OK.

Before the war to liberate Iraq, Germany once again made a decision to be on the opposite side of the US. Germany chose to actively oppose the US. Germany's freely elected government campaigned on an active anti US platform for re-election. Germany now wishes to sell military hardware to a nation that at some point will become a active foes of my country. Tell me again how Germany is our friend?

Most of you are totally unaware of the constant anti-American propaganda that is passed off as news in Germany. I think that this site David's Medienkitik might open your eyes. Particularly you can see how some Germans react when confronted with the truth of the anti-American media in their country. You will have to read the comments to some past postings. Yes we have a few friends in Germany but we do not have a nation called Germany that we should consider our friend. The German government and media are controlled by â1968ersâ who completely hate the the US and it's people and everything we stand for.

No we and the UK do not need to be sorry for Dresden. Only the Tranzis buy into that as it furthers their agenda. Yes war is horrible Germany. Maybe one day you will learn what causes them. A look at your media shows you don't?

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-13 6:22:59 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-13 6:22:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I will never be offended by some honest commentary.

Dresden was not an "innocent" city, nothing set it apart from Hamburg or Munich, which suffered similar losses of people. Only the children are innocent wherever they are.

I for one am truly sorry for Coventry, Rotterdam or Warsaw.

SPOD, don't underestimate the collective trauma of total annihilation. As for Medienkritik... if you stick to the Independent, the Guardian. the Mirror and the BBC you might get a similar impression about "constant anti-American propaganda that is passed off as news" in the UK. Things are a bit more sophisticated though.

Lots of people wore friendship pins with US and German flags yesterday in Munich.

As for the "1968ers", they'll face their moment of truth in 2006 and may be eligible for premature retirement.

Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 6:42:14 PM|| 2005-02-13 6:42:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 OK, let's try to settle this right here: Heisenberg...did he or didn't he purposefully delay the German atom bomb project??? (during WW2 of course)

Posted by Rafael 2005-02-13 6:49:16 PM|| 2005-02-13 6:49:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 War is worse than hell. Hell is for evil people who do evil things and deserve to be there. War gets everyone, children, old , mentally incompetant. No descrimination.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2005-02-13 6:49:40 PM|| 2005-02-13 6:49:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "The more precisely the POSITION is determined,
the less precisely the MOMENTUM is known"

Does that answer your question?

Posted by True German Ally 2005-02-13 7:01:01 PM|| 2005-02-13 7:01:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 it's an uncertainty, Raphael, at least to me....

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-13 7:10:04 PM|| 2005-02-13 7:10:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I hate physics sometimes.

Posted by Schroedingers Kat 2005-02-13 8:01:03 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:01:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Not to interfere, but I saw a comment by Mr. Kat's ghost on another thread and it was also time-stamped 2005-02-13 8:01:03 PM.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-13 8:14:21 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:14:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Um... I guess they shouldn't have anexxed the sudetenland afterall....

Posted by Mark E. 2005-02-13 8:46:33 PM|| 2005-02-13 8:46:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 You know, the neo-Nazis strutting around could have been very useful. People could have pointed to them and said "The city was bombed because we let people like that run the country. Don't ever do it again."

Posted by jackal 2005-02-13 10:08:24 PM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-02-13 10:08:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 It's kind of like the Golden Rule in reverse. If you don't wish no ass-kicking to fall upon you, don't go starting it with someone else.

"Until halfway through the war more women and children in Britain had been killed than soldiers."
http://www.worldwar2exraf.co.uk/Online%20Museum/Museum%20Docs/Theblitz4.html

No offense to you personally TGA, but I have no pity for those in Dresden. Just because the Brits did something better than the Deutschers doesn't mean it was "more" or "less" wrong for them to do it at all.

Posted by Asedwich 2005-02-13 11:39:25 PM|| 2005-02-13 11:39:25 PM|| Front Page Top

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