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2005-02-06 Israel-Palestine

Paleo families wonder: were suicide attacks worth the loss of our children?

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Posted by Steve White 2005-02-06 12:45:52 PM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Boggles.

Posted by .com 2005-02-06 1:43:37 PM|| 2005-02-06 1:43:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Seems to me that there is some progress reported here. Fatigue is one of the factors that leads to peace or honest negotiations.

Posted by Remoteman 2005-02-06 1:50:46 PM|| 2005-02-06 1:50:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 "Palestinian support for armed attacks against Israeli citizens dropped from 54 percent last September to 49 percent in December."
The roadmap still leads down a dead-end.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-06 3:15:48 PM|| 2005-02-06 3:15:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I am wondering how the Palestinians ever thought this would lead anywhere? How about the daily indoctrination the kids get in school? Are the parents blind to that too? You teach your kids to be haters don't be surprised at the result.

Did they honestly believe that turning their territories into occupied rubble wouldn't be the out come of the intifada? That Israel would some how pay attention to the opinions of the outside world when it comes to self defense and survival? In the rough neighborhood that is the part of the world they live in, did they expect anything but a harsh unyielding response?

Pardon me if I don't feel sorry for your stupidity or it's results.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-06 3:27:42 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2005-02-06 3:27:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 This is a vindication of Israel's approach in handling the Paleos' Tantrum II. It also goes to show that perseverance pays dividends, especially when you're undoubtedly on the right side.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-06 3:58:21 PM|| 2005-02-06 3:58:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Agreed, SPoD, that this kind of thing should have been obvious from the outset, but remember, Arabs don't get cause and effect the way we in the West do (although to be fair I should note that a growing number of us here don't, either). I've shaken my head for years; the Paleos are only shooting themselves in the foot by sending their best and brightest to commit suicide. They get a state, woo-hoo for them, but who's going to be running it? Who's going to take the jobs? Who's going to help put together the infrastructure needed to make a decent, civilized society? The very people that the Paleos are twisting and killing - their own sons and daughters.

I can only hope we hear more of this kind of thing - and that these statements are repeated as often as possible. To have any kind of future, the Paleos need to break through and discard the brainwashing that's poisoned their society for decades.

Posted by The Doctor 2005-02-06 4:38:21 PM|| 2005-02-06 4:38:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 There is a whole generation plus change that has swallowed the poison pill that the Arafish and similar cohorts in crime have fed them. I do hope that they continue waking up. The IDF could just have well wiped them off the map but did not. The Paleos make their own news. I hope that they start making good news, instead of what they have done to the past 2 generations of their children.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-02-06 5:56:03 PM|| 2005-02-06 5:56:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 the disengagement by Sharon has exposed tehir tantrum as what it is: a distraction by the thugs running the corruption for their own enrichment. Wanna bet, regardless of the success in advancing the "proces", that Abbas dies a WEALTHY man?

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-06 6:12:11 PM|| 2005-02-06 6:12:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Every now and then the Chicago Tribune gets a clue.
At least the Palestinians are starting to question this stupid strategy that they were refusing to give up. Maybe they'll stop doing this some time in our lifetime. It's just sad it took this many pointless and stupid deaths to do it.

Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-06 7:10:24 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com/] 2005-02-06 7:10:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 The "poison pill" is the killer. Once indoctrinated, how do you undo the blind hatred? How can they possibly join the rational while living inside the Hate Machine? This won't be anywhere near as straight-forward as denazification - the Paleos are a mercenary populace with zero redeeming value - vastly different from the Germans who were under a spell that lasted less than a generation. This society is sick and twisted from start to finish, every molecule infected - and external forces like it that way and are willing to pay to keep it that way. They're screwed. Self-screwed with a support system.

Posted by .com 2005-02-06 7:18:51 PM|| 2005-02-06 7:18:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 You know, I understand that attitude .com.

But I also still remember being on the west bank back in 87, the arrogance of 18 yr old Israelis with rifles watching Palestinain women draw water from old wells and carry it home on donkeys while the brand new Israeli settlements on the hill had air conditioning, modern conveniences - and a swimming pool.

I have some real sympathy for those on both sides who are just trying to get through a horrid life. And that includes a bunch of Palestinians who are caught in a deadend situation.

The sons of bitches who keep blowing people up, and the mothers who encourage them -- them, I would hang up by their balls (for the men). The mothers deserve what they get.

Posted by too true 2005-02-06 7:24:20 PM|| 2005-02-06 7:24:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 tt - Good point - and heartfelt, obviously. Personally I don't blame the young Israelis for feeling superior, if I caught your meaning correctly, they were centuries ahead. I've had that same feeling - and there was nothing I could do to bring the others up, they were fully indoctrinated Wahhabis who smiled only to my face, only choose not to be dragged down.

If the Saudis, et al, would stop funding the merc elements and giving money to the PA until they clean up their act and begin to serve those people with open auditing, it's absolutely hopeless. All they have is the Hate Machine, as it is.

Posted by .com 2005-02-06 7:30:35 PM|| 2005-02-06 7:30:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 re: #11;

So let me understand this; because the Israeli's have constructed a society that can produce settlements with airconditioning, running water and a swimming pool and the Paleo's have put the majority of their resources into teaching lies, hate, and lining the pockets of slime like Arafat, they're both victims?

Sorry, if the Paleo's are caught in a dead end situation, it's their own damn fault time and time again. They could have a real peace with Israel within 3 months, and have a standard of living that would rival most other arab states within a decade if they chose that path.

But's it's hard to reign in the anarchy and hatred they've been breeding for several generations...

Sorry, my sympathy meter is pegged at ZERO for the Paleo's. Long before the current intafada, we've had airline hijackings, Leon Klinghofer, Olympic murders, etc. etc. etc.

Now that the dimwitted savages are starting to realize they've pretty much destroyed their society, they're starting to feel maybe it wasn't a good idea to blow up the Jews... Not because it's immoral and wrong, but becuase the consequence is counterproductive to their goal of pushing all the Jews into the sea.

fuck em.

Posted by Francis 2005-02-06 7:48:12 PM|| 2005-02-06 7:48:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Most aid to the Paleos comes through the UN and the USA is the largest single contributor. I suggest you follow John Howard's lead and bypass the UN. At least you will know its not being stolen before it gets to the Paleos.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-06 7:48:25 PM|| 2005-02-06 7:48:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 At least you will know its not being stolen before it gets to the Paleos.

A side benefit of this sort of arrangement is that conditions can be slapped on the aid. Revise the textbooks, and remove the Jew-hating references, lest the assistance be cut off.

The UN wouldn't even think of doing such a thing.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-06 9:43:00 PM|| 2005-02-06 9:43:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 too true, a large part of the reason the Palestinians do not have the modern conveniences you mention (and many others, as well) is that they repeatedly turn down Israeli offers to hook them up to the nets: sewage and water systems, electricity, the internet. Their self-selected rulers have chosen as a matter of patriotism to remain disconnected from those Joo things; after all, they will get it all for free when they reconquer what they choose to call their Zionist-occupied territories. In case you were uncertain, that means all of it... to the pre-1948 borders.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-06 11:14:18 PM|| 2005-02-06 11:14:18 PM|| Front Page Top

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