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2005-02-04 Fifth Column
Anti-war group targets on-campus military recruiters
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Posted by Anonymoose 2005-02-04 6:11:24 PM|| || Front Page|| [11138 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Isn't it time for a platoon or two to enroll at Seattle Community? I'm sure some young soldiers at Fort Lewis would love to get (and give) the full Seattle Central Community College experience.
Posted by ed 2005-02-04 6:48:51 PM||   2005-02-04 6:48:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Solution is pull all Federal funding including goverment backed student loans and grants to this school. End of story. Screw them. They have no right to federal aid.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-04 7:21:46 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2005-02-04 7:21:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 
"We do not want the military in our schools asking our friends and family to fight for a war that is wrong," Nicole Thomas said. "We want recruiters out of our schools."

Free speech for me, not for thee! And I'll whine and chant and bitch and moan and throw a tantrum until I get my way!
Posted by Dar  2005-02-04 7:33:16 PM||   2005-02-04 7:33:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Geez, what's with Seattle? They're starting to make San Francisco look civilized.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 7:54:36 PM||   2005-02-04 7:54:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Only DI's with a martial arts skills to be assigned.
Posted by mojo  2005-02-04 9:25:40 PM||   2005-02-04 9:25:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 SPOD - Damn rght. Pull all their federal funding (including and especially student loans and grants).

Isn't it typical (and so browshirtish) for them to resort to violence.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-02-04 10:17:19 PM||   2005-02-04 10:17:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 mojo, you've no idea just how many of them would love to pull a tour like that. Would bring new meaning to the G.I. Bill. Faggoty-ass peace pansie hippies. They don't want peace, they have a fake social consience and a truly cowards.
Posted by Jeamp Ebbereting9472 aka Jarhead 2005-02-04 10:17:26 PM||   2005-02-04 10:17:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The following is an 'wasn't me!' letter written by the Student Advisor for the student organization:

Via: Sound Politics You can also read the email requesting that this student group apologize.

From: Knutson, Peter
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:45 AM
To: Central; North; Siegal; South; SVI
Subject: SCCC demands student group apologize to the U.S. Army

To: GNA Garcia
Coordinator of Student Involvement
Student Leadership Division
Seattle Central Community College

In re: Your letter; Public Disclosure Request

I write in response to your emails of 1/27/05. You state that the student organization, Students Against War, of which I am the faculty advisor, will be disbanded as of February 3, 2005 unless the group sends a formal apology to representatives of the United States Army regarding “the events of Friday, January 21, 2005.” Should they refuse your demand, Students Against War will be denied the use of public facilities at SCCC by the college administration.

I assume you actually refer to the Inaugural Protest of Thursday, January 20. I further assume that you write this letter in your official capacity as a functionary of the SCCC administration in the Division of Student Leadership.

You allege that Students Against War engaged in “intensely alarming behavior” in the presence of Army recruiters. You claim that members of the organization Students Against War menaced people in the hallways, disregarded civil rights of others and touted such behavior as “admirable” at the subsequent Westlake Center counter-inaugural demonstration. You provide no sources or names of witnesses. Based on hearsay, you would deny this campus group their voice on our campus, without benefit of due process. Consequent to your allegations I therefore append to this letter three legally binding Public Disclosure Requests to which you and your supervisors are required to respond.

I was teaching during the time in which you allege that Students Against War was harassing U.S. Army personnel. I have subsequently spoken with SCCC staff and students who were directly present in the Atrium during the time you reference. The following are the facts as I have been able to ascertain them:

1-Students Against War was permitted to conduct a rally on the South Lawn. This rally of nearly a thousand individuals was conducted peacefully.

2-Students Against War did not promote or orchestrate the events in the Atrium. You are correct when you state that Students Against War did not plan to harass recruiters or behave in an uncivil fashion towards the military recruiters who, in your view, had “equal rights to be on our campus” along with students. Not only did the group not plan such actions, but the group did not commit such actions.

Students who demonstrated against the presence of military recruiters in the Atrium did so as a matter of individual conscience, not as members of an organized student group. As faculty advisor to many campus organizations since 1996, I have never been instructed by your office that any student group is to be responsible for policing the entirety of the SCCC campus.

3-U.S. Army recruiters were informed by SCCC staff prior to their activities that a large protest was scheduled for Inauguration Day and it was politely suggested that their visit be postponed. The recruiters ignored this request and proceeded to set up shop with knowledge of the campus context.

4-Seattle Police officers and SCCC security were in communication during the Atrium incident. SCCC security was immediately present and informed the SPD that their assistance was not necessary. Despite the immediate presence of security and nearby SPD, who presumably would have witnessed the menacing behavior and civil rights violation you allege, there were no citations made. If enforcement personnel on the scene did not witness violations of law, what specific institutional standards did the students violate?

I am troubled that the SCCC administration would force our students to write an apology to the U.S. Army under duress. What kind of a lesson does this teach them? If the group’s conduct violated the law or well-defined institutional standards, then give them due process, and if found in violation, apply sanctions. But don’t force them to write false words that violate their integrity . That smacks of dictatorship. I didn’t think we were teaching that.

Peter Knutson, Ph.D.
Faculty Advisor, Students Against War
Anthropology Instructor
Seattle Central Community College
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-02-04 10:36:38 PM||   2005-02-04 10:36:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Anthropology Instructor at a Community College? This person reached bottom, then dug, to achieve such low status on the academic totem pole. Poor, pitiful thing has an awful lot to compensate for.
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