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2023-01-28 Science & Technology

Russian tanks aren't obsolete. They're being used wrong

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Posted by Besoeker 2023-01-28 09:40|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top

#1 The Russians are aware of 'combined arms' tactics, the problem is they don't have enough infantry to fully employ these tactics. Adding to the problem is the Russian reluctance (for obvious reasons) to use Tactical Air resources in the fight.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-01-28 09:51|| 2023-01-28 09:51|| Front Page Top

#2 If they can't fight effectively on their own border, what do they have in a big distant fight besides nukes?

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-01-28 09:55|| 2023-01-28 09:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Cause they'll fundamentally designed to suppress locals of authoritarian regimes not fight in major wars, thus their export viability?

Posted by Procopius2k 2023-01-28 11:08|| 2023-01-28 11:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Russia has always fought like this. They just throw it all out there and fight. People and equipment are considered expended once they move into the fight.

Posted by 49 Pan 2023-01-28 12:14|| 2023-01-28 12:14|| Front Page Top

#5 Because their doctrine and design favors massed frontal assaults and they discourage initiative by lower ranks. Used out of their "design envelope" they unfavorably showcase the trade-offs their designers baked into them.

Posted by magpie 2023-01-28 12:20|| 2023-01-28 12:20|| Front Page Top

#6 Part of the problem is the battalion tactical group concept. Good it theory, but how the Russians put it together is awful. Russia already is having a manpower shortage for the military and when they made these, they refused to reduce the amount of armored vehicles in them. So instead of having a crew of 3 and 7 infantry mounts, they have a crew of 3 and 3 (if at all) infantry mounts. You cannot secure the area around the BMP with just 3 infantry. This was a huge part of the breakdown of the combined arms we saw north of Kiev and the piss poor maneuver and performance of the armored forces.

Posted by DarthVader 2023-01-28 12:43|| 2023-01-28 12:43|| Front Page Top

#7 If they can't fight effectively on their own border, what do they have in a big distant fight besides nukes?

Exactly.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-01-28 13:06|| 2023-01-28 13:06|| Front Page Top

#8 ^ Part of the problem is the battalion tactical group concept. The Russians gave it so many toys that it has enough combat power to get in trouble ...one time and one time only.

Posted by magpie 2023-01-28 15:01|| 2023-01-28 15:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Embrace the power of 'and':

Here's a thread with a statistical analysis of T-72 vs. T-62 'turret Olympics'. The older tank survives better:

https://twitter.com/Wilkmans/status/1619043025078075393

Posted by Nero 2023-01-28 16:12|| 2023-01-28 16:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Russians seem to be using their tanks as 'mobile artillery' only.

So just another big gun.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2023-01-28 16:52|| 2023-01-28 16:52|| Front Page Top

#11 Better chance of survival with ballistic fire a ways behind the battle line.

Posted by Nero 2023-01-28 18:10|| 2023-01-28 18:10|| Front Page Top

#12 " "Marker," a new robo-tank, will be able to 'destroy Western tanks, including American Abrams and German Leopards.' "

Posted by Dale 2023-01-28 19:50|| 2023-01-28 19:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Of course it will. Along with drones, satellites and spy squirrels

Posted by Frank G 2023-01-28 21:43|| 2023-01-28 21:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Swarms of robotic thingies *is* the future of combat, air and ground. The first ones will be semi-autonomous, with a human acting as 'platoon leader'. Later, they get better thanks to machine learning.

It will be interesting to see how the Markers do. I understand that 4 are going to the Donbas in February for training.

PS, I think we seen this movie

Posted by SteveS 2023-01-28 22:18|| 2023-01-28 22:18|| Front Page Top

#15 It is probably currently feasible to drive and shoot a drone tank remotely. I don’t think they have made headway on ammo loading.

Posted by Super Hose 2023-01-28 22:58|| 2023-01-28 22:58|| Front Page Top

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