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2005-01-18 Fifth Column

One Fed Up Army Commander Writes from Iraq

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Posted by Captain America 2005-01-18 2:07:10 PM|| || Front Page|| [11140 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I'm sure Dan Rather will lead with this story tonight... :-(

Posted by Raj 2005-01-18 3:27:43 PM|| 2005-01-18 3:27:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 When ops start winding down and these troops finally begin to come home...there's going to be a true accounting of what the MSM has done.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-01-18 3:35:31 PM|| 2005-01-18 3:35:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Naw...it will get swept under the rug.

Ordinary folks will just want to get on with their lives. That's an ok thing.

The MSM and lefties in general will just quietly drop the subject rather than look stupid and look for another reason to hate. That's not so ok, but there it is.

Posted by Michael 2005-01-18 3:42:47 PM|| 2005-01-18 3:42:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 The irony is that the media have been treacherous swine for a long time. Gen WT Sherman, when reporters were caught in his camp, had them put backwards on a mule and ridden around with a sign reading "Traitor" around their necks before kicking them out--much to the amusement of his soldiers.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-01-18 3:43:46 PM|| 2005-01-18 3:43:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I have said it before and I will saying again:

Liberals love dead Americans, especially dead American military.

Posted by badanov 2005-01-18 3:46:14 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2005-01-18 3:46:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 It will be fascinating to see the impact on our domestic politics of this generation of veterans when they return home.

First, these are probably among the most talented, resourceful, and of course courageous Americans we have. Many are very well-educated and perfectly capable of smacking down rivals in debating forums. If they choose to enter politics, we will have some extremely interesting candidates for national office soon.

Second, once they return home they will have far more time to set straight the MSM spinners and doom-mongers, in a media and cultural environment that, unlike that of 1968, gives ordinary citizens a real voice and fighting chance against the Cronkites of the MSM.

Third, they will have very valuable expertise in not just military operations but also diplomacy, intel-gathering and of course politics in the arab world. This will make them a very useful counter to the arabist foreign policy madarins at State and in academia.

Fourth, their positions on domestic issues is not easily predicted. It's doubtful that soldiers who have sacrificed so much for what has been, all in all, fairly shabby treatment, both by the MSM's distortions and Washington's imposed hardships on their families, will be as corporate- and gazillionaire-friendly as our two plutocrat-driven parties.

I imagine we will have the makings of a truly populist, largely sunbelt-based party that can knock one of the two parties off its perch-- almost certainly the Dems. Or at least pull the parties and the debate into new directions. Stay tuned.

Posted by lex 2005-01-18 3:52:22 PM|| 2005-01-18 3:52:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by sibilla TROLL 2005-01-18 4:16:06 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:16:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Cleanup on aisle seven, s'il vous plait.

Posted by badanov 2005-01-18 4:17:58 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2005-01-18 4:17:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 ROFL!!!

IP Check, Plz.

Kanada or just a run-of-the-mill Fuckwit From Manhatten or Frisco?

Posted by .com 2005-01-18 4:18:02 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:18:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 learn english.

Posted by 2b 2005-01-18 4:18:04 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:18:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 y tu chingada mama, Sibilla

Posted by Frank G 2005-01-18 4:19:08 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:19:08 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by bill TROLL 2005-01-18 4:24:03 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:24:03 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by bill TROLL 2005-01-18 4:25:21 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:25:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 San Jose, Cal., over COVAD.

Posted by Fred 2005-01-18 4:27:44 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:27:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I think it's arabic inspired. I remember that most of their swear words are about their mothers or sisters.

Posted by SwissTex 2005-01-18 4:35:14 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:35:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 ST..interesting!

Posted by 2b 2005-01-18 4:35:56 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:35:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by pem TROLL 2005-01-18 4:36:20 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:36:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 why dont' you just do this ...(*&(*&*(&KLKJ)(#U)U...it's as meaningful as your english. Go back to school.

Posted by 2b 2005-01-18 4:37:39 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:37:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ahhhh good! I was worried it might be wasted on you, pendejo

Posted by Frank G 2005-01-18 4:44:43 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:44:43 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by poliglot TROLL 2005-01-18 4:52:08 PM|| 2005-01-18 4:52:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 I tried to forward this to CNN and NBC and ABC on their web sites....none of them would accept it..the error msg was "The correct amount of data was not sent" I guess they only want short sound bites. I didnt try to send it to CBS, figured they dont care anyway.

Posted by Live to Ride 2005-01-18 5:06:16 PM|| 2005-01-18 5:06:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Lex is absolutely correct about the forthcoming impact of the returning soldiers on our society. These men and women are truly incredible. Every time that I get to work with them, which is often, I am stunned at their capabilities.

The MSM is no longer in sole control anymore. Their power is getting chipped away each and every day by the blogosphere and talk radio. Unfortunately, bloggers generally can't be there on the ground with a camera or microphone when Col. Ryan calls with a potential story. Nevertheless, I think that many Americans know that what they are seeing is terribly one-sided.

I love how a posting like this draws the trolls like hot butter. You know it is the last kind of information that they want to get out.

Posted by Remoteman 2005-01-18 5:26:08 PM|| 2005-01-18 5:26:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 well said, RM.

Posted by 2b 2005-01-18 5:28:52 PM|| 2005-01-18 5:28:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Unfortunately, bloggers generally can't be there on the ground with a camera or microphone when Col. Ryan calls with a potential story

Will certainly be able to soon. Not so far off either.

Posted by TomAnon 2005-01-18 7:45:01 PM|| 2005-01-18 7:45:01 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by muck4doo TROLL 2005-01-18 7:55:56 PM|| 2005-01-18 7:55:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 im was always wanter to try that. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2005-01-18 7:59:39 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-01-18 7:59:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I was in the Army from '70-'73, as the Vietnam war was winding down. And I don't remember there was much of an awareness among GIs back then of just how deliberately and calculatingly their efforts were being undermined by politicians and the MSM at home. Back then, many people still believed the media were unbiased, honest, and loyal to the country.

But today's soldiers sure as hell are conscious of that bias-- and of the media's dishonesty and disloyalty. They are also aware of the Democratic Party's attempts at exploiting every setback, every surprise, and every mistake for cheap political gain.

And they are NOT pleased. Add that to the political ferment, the blogosphere's shattering of the MSM's long-held monopoly on published opinion, and the continuing urgencies of the WoT, and we're in for some very interesting politics.

Posted by Dave D. 2005-01-18 8:09:28 PM|| 2005-01-18 8:09:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 I've been mulling lex's post, too. There's a possible political earthquake in those people. I would welcome it with open arms, I am certain. Even where they had a more hearts 'n minds take, I'd STFU and listen. And the best part is the entire working-age spectrum is represented.

I'm "getting it", I think. And I think I like it, heh.

Posted by .com 2005-01-18 8:23:10 PM|| 2005-01-18 8:23:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Capt. America- send this to more than the media's that you have tried to reach. Lot's of work, but do not give up. As we all know...sex sells, and so do these one sided military stories- And YES, the parties, stories and memories for those who do get to come home!

Andrea Jackson

Posted by Andrea 2005-01-18 8:40:22 PM|| 2005-01-18 8:40:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 hey poster # 27 I remind you that military families are also aware of republican party exploits and big and taft talk but not personal participation

Posted by republicans are the crap of america 2005-01-18 9:37:17 PM|| 2005-01-18 9:37:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 hey poster #30, I can shout, don't hear you.

Posted by .com 2005-01-18 9:41:34 PM|| 2005-01-18 9:41:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 taft talk? Idjit

Posted by Frank G 2005-01-18 9:47:25 PM|| 2005-01-18 9:47:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 the funny thing is...in the past, it was the journalists who wrote about the soldiers. The MSM is so discredited and so out of touch that after this war - it will be the soldiers writing about the journalists - and it won't be flattering....but it will be fun for the rest of us.

Posted by 2b 2005-01-18 10:05:50 PM|| 2005-01-18 10:05:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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