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2007-01-13 -Lurid Crime Tales-

AZ Sheriff Arpaio Puts 70,000 Outstanding Warrants Online

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 10:16|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 So what happens when a Sheriff or cop is stopped for a traffic violation? FIX!!! Officers of the court trumpet the rule of law, but rarely enforce law when it comes to their friends and colleagues.

I have never been charged with any kind of offense in Arizona, but in the time I spent there I learned that Arpaio is a pathological publicity hog. He used to abuse first time offenders who were on appeal. Ergo: he made innocent persons sleep in tent hot houses, and eat baloney on bread as his staple service. Arpaio talks tough, but he turns yellow when lawyers come knocking.

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2007-01-13 11:50|| 2007-01-13 11:50|| Front Page Top

#2 So, the convicted 'innocents' that didn't make bail while on appeal of their conviction had to wear pink underwear in Sheriff Joe's tent city instead of watching tv and having 3 hots and a cot in 'regular' jails? Part of Sheriff Joe's publicity push is to impress the first or any time offenders not to do it in his jurisdiction or you may end up with whining lawyers...Sneaze.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 12:49|| 2007-01-13 12:49|| Front Page Top

#3 It gets worse. Being fed "green" bologna and trail mix as your only food, and not enough daily calories to maintain your body weight. If you stayed there for four or five years, you would starve to death. The idea is for detainees to be continually hungry. No packages or goods or reading materials are permitted in the jails.

Other dehumanizing things are the chain gangs, forcing inmates to bury the indigent dead, and forcing inmates to kill shelter animals with heart injection needles.

Aspirin is the only non-life-threatening-emergent medical care, and prisoners have sued the County repeatedly and won for being denied inexpensive 'maintenance' medications. One such man, with Crohn's disease, was denied a 25-cent-a-day pill which made him undergo four major surgeries, being cut open from crotch to throat. Total cost to the County was well over half a million dollars for the surgeries alone.

A wooden restraint chair used by his jailers has been used against paraplegics and the incapacitated, causing permanent spinal damage and death. An FBI investigation was thwarted by blatant evidence tampering on the part of Joe.

Any subordinates who do not openly endorse Joe are fired, and political opponents are investigated, surveilled and harassed by uniformed and undercover deputies.

He has been condemned by every law enforcement organization in the State, and four countries will no longer extradite to Maricopa County, as by treaty obligation they cannot extradite to places where "torture" is a possibility.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 13:03|| 2007-01-13 13:03|| Front Page Top

#4 Jeez, you'd think their php deveoper could program multiple pages for each single letter SQL query.

Posted by badanov 2007-01-13 13:51|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2007-01-13 13:51|| Front Page Top

#5 Since Sheriff Joe is in an elected job, how come he keeps getting relected every time? Who are the four countries that won't extradite to Maricopa County and do they advertise they welcome Arizona criminals?

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 13:54|| 2007-01-13 13:54|| Front Page Top

#6 ...and one other item to consider about being tough on crime...He won the election in 1992. Four years later, in 1996, after his policies had earned him unprecedented praise and an 85% public approval rating, no one even ran against him when he sought a second term as Sheriff.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 14:12|| 2007-01-13 14:12|| Front Page Top

#7
Moose the 'post comment' you wrote is clear and good conjecture, BUT you blew that away and any credibility off with a classic Moose'ism when you dropped this:

It gets worse. Being fed "green" bologna and trail mix as your only food, and not enough daily calories to maintain your body weight. If you stayed there for four or five years, you would starve to death.

willfully stoopid and undocumented Horse Pucky in the comments section.

Grrrrrrrr! why do you do it!!????

Posted by RD 2007-01-13 14:13|| 2007-01-13 14:13|| Front Page Top

#8 RD: It took me all of five seconds to find this info:

http://tinyurl.com/ylemce

"I got meal costs down to 40 cents a day per inmate. It costs $1.15 a day to feed the department's dogs. Now, I'm cutting prisoners' calories from 3,000 to 2,500 a day," the sheriff said during a recent tour of his tent city.

"Do you hear me?" he asked the inmates who surrounded him. "You're too fat. I'm taking away your food because I'm trying to help you. I'm on a diet myself. You eat too much fat."

Oh, and I didn't even mention the endemic food poisoning that goes around his tent jails, due to the fat often being spoiled. Vomiting and diarrhea don't help prisoners keep on weight.

Now, if you have a diet of 2,500 calories a day, that may be well and good if you are a short guy. But if you are 6 feet tall and weigh 180, even with light activity, you will lose weight. With moderate activity, you are short 500 calories a day.

Since most calories are used to heat the body, it is especially hard on inmates in winter, wearing only light clothing.

The best subjective information comes from people who have been arrested by Joe and held for months, even though never convicted. Even healthy, trim young men will drop 15 pounds in six months.

So, would you starve to death in four or five years? You would certainly show severe malnutrition, and have perhaps lifelong digestive problems due to repeated bouts with sickness. But if you were in that long, you would go to the State Prison at Florence, and eat a lot more, and better, food.

As far as Joe's popularity, he could probably get 90% if he publicly branded inmates with hot irons. The public likes that sort of thing. Still doesn't make it right.

So tell me, RD, how offended are you, really? As much as you ever wanted to know about Joe Arpaio is online at the Phoenix New Times, who hate him and will publish any dirt about him. But they don't have to try very hard.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 15:55|| 2007-01-13 15:55|| Front Page Top

#9 Moose, if I were a voter there, he would get my vote, every time.

I don't give a rat's ass how happy/well-fed the prisoners are as they are in JAIL. As I said in another thread: "Life is tough. It's even tougher when you are stoopid".

I suspect his constituents (i.e. voters) are happy with his manner and methods as he keeps on getting re-elected by wide margins.

As for the local 'alternative' newspaper, who cares what they say? By definition, they are lefties.

Posted by Brett 2007-01-13 16:11|| 2007-01-13 16:11|| Front Page Top

#10 As I noted above, Arpaio stopped his cruel treatment to first timers after many were acquitted at trial. In at least one case, he made a tearful apology. He has compassion, if only for himself.

Criminal defenders associate Arizona with one of the worst travesties of justice in American history: the "Temple Five" Murder case. After the infamous Buddhist Temple massacre, local Barney Fifes arrested 5 convenient suspects. By using death penalty leverage and other tricks, they convinced all 5 to confess, but soon released one because he had an airtight alibi. Several months later, the other 4 had to be released because the real culprits had been found. Whether right, center or left, we need to support the rule of law, and that does not mean blindly accepting whatever cops or jailors do. Check this out:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/buddhist_temple/index.html

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2007-01-13 16:36|| 2007-01-13 16:36|| Front Page Top

#11 no sympathy here, sorry

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 17:20|| 2007-01-13 17:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Brett: Did you catch that bit that many of them haven't been convicted of anything, that they are there awaiting trial? I know it's easy to be tough on criminals, but I hesitate when talking about people who haven't been convicted by a judge or jury.

I also don't like his tampering with criminal homicide evidence to thwart an FBI investigation, nor strong-arming political opponents using County resources.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 17:21|| 2007-01-13 17:21|| Front Page Top

#13 make bail if you got a job. No sympathy, sorry, Moose. "Crying for criminals" ain't the name of this site. I'm not in the mood to worry about how offenders are fed (it's not green...you just bought the PR), their caloric intake, whether they have to wear pink, or feel humiliated. F*ck EM. Don't do the crime...

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 17:29|| 2007-01-13 17:29|| Front Page Top

#14 There's gotta be a better way to deal with these miscreants. Perhaps were could dip them in Helium 3 and put them in a 500 year Solar orbit.

Posted by Shipman 2007-01-13 17:41|| 2007-01-13 17:41|| Front Page Top

#15 Still no documentation of the four countries who won't extradite to Maricopa County, AZ, moose. Are they same ones who won't extradite to the USA because we have the death penalty? Like maybe Mexico and the EU weenies? I'm sure if it's on the internet, it's true, so check out the Phoenix New Times again for the Molly Ivans by-line and get back to us.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 17:53|| 2007-01-13 17:53|| Front Page Top

#16 Arpaio runs a jail right Moose.

Moose, "four or five years, you would starve to death."

nuff said,

no need to look up the actual, "diet" or "calorie count" or deaths due to "starvation".

scheech, what do you take us for?

Posted by RD 2007-01-13 18:19|| 2007-01-13 18:19|| Front Page Top

#17 no sympathy here either. I surmise if every county ran it's pen like Sheriff Joe there would be a lot less crime and possibly recidivism in the country.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-01-13 18:28|| 2007-01-13 18:28|| Front Page Top

#18 Phineter Thraviger: That would be Ireland, Iceland, Germany and Austria. Mexico is unrelated, not extraditing for death penalty reasons unrelated to Joe.

RD: You seem to be getting the vapours over a small point. First of all, nobody is going to be in jail for four or five years in the first place. Maybe a year to a year and a half, awaiting trial, plus if they don't get time served. If they are convicted of a felony, they probably go to Florence.

My point was that there is no damn good reason to starve people in jail, proclaiming how much money you save through sadism, then blow ten times that amount on publicity photo-ops.

And yes, unless you are getting enough calories to maintain your weight, you are being "starved".

Will you starve to death being getting 500 calories a day less, over the course of several years? Not by itself. But if you suffer frequent bouts of food poisoning, are forced to live in temperature extremes, and forced to do hard labor like digging graves, very few people could go four of five years without medical care and not become severely ill or die.

Add it all together, you people who love pain in others because they are sinners. Maybe you'll get lucky and get arrested by mistake and get to get tortured because hey, "If you're not guilty, then why are you being punished?"

In that perhaps HALF the people who are kept by Joe PRIOR to trial are never convicted of ANYTHING, it is nuts to punish them before having proven they deserve punishment.

This is a friggin' JAIL, not a prison. Save your wrath for people who at least commit serious State felonies.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 18:45|| 2007-01-13 18:45|| Front Page Top

#19 whatever, hand

Posted by RD 2007-01-13 19:35|| 2007-01-13 19:35|| Front Page Top

#20 moose, we can't use the that wrath on the symbolic AZ felon in Ireland, Iceland,Germany, and Austria. If there were any fleeing felons rating an extradition request, well, too bad for Justice West of the Pecos. :) In that perhaps HALF figure, does it include plea bargain community service/time spent decisions dropped by the prosecutor? Any winning lawsuits for wrongfull arrest and detention? BTW, do fat criminals have a right to maintain their weight?
Do any starving illegals gain weight while there?

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 19:56|| 2007-01-13 19:56|| Front Page Top

#21 "willfully stoopid and undocumented Horse Pucky in the comments section."

I put up, so I'll accept your shut up.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-13 20:04|| 2007-01-13 20:04|| Front Page Top

#22 Frank, Broadhead, you're wrong. I can understand why you think the way you do but trust me, you're wrong. I used to think as you do until someone enlightened me about the case of Scott Norberg, a former BYU football player who died in Arpaio's custody. Norberg wasn't convicted of anything but was beaten and suffocated to death by Arpaio's jailers. It was caught on videotape and seen by witnesses. Norberg's parents sued and the Maricopa County attorneys settled OOC VERY, VERY QUICKLY for 8.25 million. They knew damned well they didn't want any part of a jury trial because the Norbergs might have ended up owning half of Maricopa County by the time the trial was over.

I take back seat to no one in my desire to see criminals made to pay severely for their crimes. Many of them I would like to see summarily shot. That said, Arpaio is an evil man using extremely harsh policies to punish all his inmates, some of whom are people who are not deserving of those tactics. Google Scott Norberg if you have any further interest in finding out about the real Joe Arpaio.

Posted by mac 2007-01-13 20:45|| 2007-01-13 20:45|| Front Page Top

#23 1999 settlement of a 1996 death? That's your proof of current-day Joe-directed mistreatment? Curious....

One would think the AZ system would've cleansed after that big a settlement. Guess Joe didn't kill the guy? Any current "facts" (other than anecdotes)? With links, please.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 21:09|| 2007-01-13 21:09|| Front Page Top

#24 Here's one, Frank. A NPR audio on this...I don't know how to make it a linky for you. :) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1116900

Seems as though the USDept of Justice gave 900 stun guns to Maricopa as a test site in '94. The young football hero from Utah was picked up on an agrivated assualt charge. (He was a good boy) The next day in jail he was too incoherant to sign his name to the charges and the guards zapped him about 17 times. DoJ said oops, new rules. Civil suit cost the $. At least he didn't starve to death.

Posted by Phineter Thraviger 2007-01-13 21:22|| 2007-01-13 21:22|| Front Page Top

#25 I will check it out - thx

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 21:24|| 2007-01-13 21:24|| Front Page Top

#26 ?? How fast did that reply come? LOL

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 21:25|| 2007-01-13 21:25|| Front Page Top

#27 again.....10+ years ago? WTF?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-01-13 21:26|| 2007-01-13 21:26|| Front Page Top

#28
#21: "willfully stoopid and undocumented Horse Pucky in the comments section."

I put up, so I'll accept your shut up.
Posted by: Anonymoose|| 2007-01-13 20:04 ||Comments Top||
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#19 whatever, hand

Anonymoose #19 was Rantburg Courtesy you fucking idiot, not suprisingly you got that twisted ASSHAT!

YOU'RE the one who MADE the wild CLAIMS, and YOU'RE the one who didn't them back up.

AZ Jails rarely hold people for more than one year and a day. So the usual convicted prisoner goes to a State Prison if they have to do more time than one year and a day. If an inmate gets State time he gets credit for time served in the Phoenix jails.

Of course there are exceptions to every rule, for instance a few stayed longer waiting for a trial to finish and other reasons. The vast majority don't.

Comparativley his jails are more unconfortable possibly than others BUT safer in many instances because many jails are more prone to really bad gang influence.

more moosey bullshit feed: "It gets worse. Being fed "green" bologna and trail mix as your only food, and not enough daily calories to maintain your body weight. If you stayed there for four or five years, you would starve to death."

So what shit are you trying to say fool, that Sheriff Arpaio is literaly starving people?

BULL SHIT You implied starvation, a wild ass claim moose, the burden is on you to prove it.

NO HAND

Posted by RD 2007-01-13 23:45|| 2007-01-13 23:45|| Front Page Top

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