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2020-01-09 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Barack Obama Paid for the Missiles Used to Attack U.S. Forces, Says Trump
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 07:28|| || Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top
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#1 Absolutely brilliant. The fact there has been no effort to deny it proves the point.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-09 08:20||   2020-01-09 08:20|| Front Page Top

#2 1. Obama had no problem blaming Bush II for crap
2. Money is fungible
3. Give someone more money to play with they can shift money around to cover anything

See - Dangeld
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-01-09 08:43||   2020-01-09 08:43|| Front Page Top

#3 It was THEIR money though, held by the U.S. for decades. Whether it made sense to release it at that time is another matter.

Iran didn't use it wisely, that's for sure.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 08:47||   2020-01-09 08:47|| Front Page Top

#4 The unmarked dollar bills and method of return sure looked DODGY
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-01-09 08:58||   2020-01-09 08:58|| Front Page Top

#5 The 150 bn dollars seem to be exaggerated. 50 bn is more closer to the truth and almost all of it was NOT under the control of the United States or any U.S. bank. Most of it was in central and commercial banks overseas.

The cash payments look dodgy, but this was money paid by Iran during the times of the Shah for U.S. military equipment that was never delivered (including interests).

The issue seems to be quite complicated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/01/was-obamas-1-7-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-u-s-law/
Posted by European Conservative 2020-01-09 09:14||   2020-01-09 09:14|| Front Page Top

#6 
For that matter, all the NH4NO3 used in taliban IEDs from 2010-2014 came from two Pakistain fertilizer factories, both owned by an individual granted citizenship by Obama. He still lives in America. The ammonium nitrate is still flowing.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 09:15||   2020-01-09 09:15|| Front Page Top

#7 It was THEIR money though, held by the U.S. for decades.

And Suleimani was their general. Money is war material - the most important one.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-09 10:00||   2020-01-09 10:00|| Front Page Top

#8 #5 WAPO fact checker?
Posted by JohnQC 2020-01-09 10:46||   2020-01-09 10:46|| Front Page Top

#9 It was THEIR money though, held by the U.S. for decades.

Yeah, but when you declare war on the United States of America we reserve the right to withhold that money at least until the war is over. When they seized our embassy in Tehran, that was a de facto declaration of war and if they're shooting missiles at us then it is obviously not over yet. Obama was foolish at best and, more likely, in reality, a treasonous bastard. He handed that money over to the Mad Mullahs as part of an "agreement" that he knew the Senate would never ratify into a treaty. He handed that money over to the Mad Mullahs while they were chanting "Death to America". So, the war is not over and yet Baraq gave aid and comfort to the enemy.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-01-09 11:27||   2020-01-09 11:27|| Front Page Top

#10 Obama had no problem blaming Bush II for crap

But they do have a problem with Trump blaming 0bumhole for the mess he left. And 0bumhole is working against Trump behind the scene.
Posted by gorb 2020-01-09 11:34||   2020-01-09 11:34|| Front Page Top

#11 It was THEIR money

See: Riverboat Slim - "Suckers aren't supposed to have money..."
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-09 11:42||   2020-01-09 11:42|| Front Page Top

#12 Actually I don't see what legal claim the "Islamic Republic" would have, given that they refused to assume any obligations of the predecessor government. If they didn't assume the Shah's liabilities, they have no standing to claim ownership of his receivables.

In any case the coup was not a legitimate seizure of power, and their intended use of the Shah's money paid for US weapons was to turn those weapons against the US and its allies. Which they did. Contract breached, end of story.

We have zero obligation under any remotely sensible reading of the law to pay these f---ers anything.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 12:13||   2020-01-09 12:13|| Front Page Top

#13 Dron, do you have a reference to that?
Posted by 49 Pan 2020-01-09 14:08||   2020-01-09 14:08|| Front Page Top

#14 Dron, Is the Pakistani you reference part of Obama's merry college roommate crew? Friend of Sohale Siddiqi, perhaps?
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 14:16||   2020-01-09 14:16|| Front Page Top

#15 Other Pakistani buddies of Obama from his LA/Occidental College days: Imad Husain, Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid
Posted by Lex 2020-01-09 14:27||   2020-01-09 14:27|| Front Page Top

#16 Dron, do you have a reference to that?

From: Fertilizers Sector of Pakistan
by Punjab Board of Investment & Trade | Transactions Department

Being primarily an agrarian state, Pakistan's growth is heavily dependent on the fertilizer industry. According to reports, Pakistan's fertilizer demand has always remained higher than its supply. However, with the advancement of technology and increased number of players in the industry, production capacity has increased to approx. 9 million tons per year, which has consistently surpassed the national demand over the last few years. (refer section production vs. capacity)

and

Currently, in Pakistan, there are six major producers of fertilizers which include Fauji Fertilizer, Engro Fertilizer Company, Dawood Hercules, and Fatima Fertilizers. Media reports suggest that the Chinese government is keenly looking for avenues to enter Pakistan's agriculture and fertilizer sector. The Chinese state and banks are expected to provide capital and loans to Chinese companies interested in setting up ventures in Pakistan. There are rumors that China is going to set up a fertilizer plant that will produce 800,000 tons per year.


It seems production capacity already exceeds agriculture demand. Perhaps Pakistan IS a shithole.
Posted by Skidmark 2020-01-09 15:05||   2020-01-09 15:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Further:
The government should expedite remedy of cash-flow challenges caused by large amounts mired in overdue refunds and sluggish reimbursement of subsidy to the fertilizer companies.

Unpaid, Gov. subsidized manufacturers continue to overproduce.

Posted by Skidmark 2020-01-09 15:15||   2020-01-09 15:15|| Front Page Top

#18 Thanks Skid
Posted by 49 Pan 2020-01-09 15:49||   2020-01-09 15:49|| Front Page Top

#19 It was THEIR money though

It was the Imperial State of Iran's money, not theirs.

They destroyed a struggling and deeply flawed constitutional monarchy and replaced it with a hyper aggressive sharia abomination that has since 1979 poisoned world politics.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-01-09 16:04||   2020-01-09 16:04|| Front Page Top

#20 Dron, do you have a reference to that?

Sorry, everyone. Power failure had me tuned out. Actually my office was part of the effort to get this info to your guys. But Washington sat on it for days. The US only acted when the story was broken to the BBC by us, and they couldn't help but act. Obama must have really hated us and the Israelis.

I found this old article, maybe it should suffice.

US to cut off fuel for IEDs from Pak

About the Arif Habib Group, owners of the fertilizer factory. Habib also owns the Fatima group. If you search for a Fatima group, it's still functional in the US.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 16:11||   2020-01-09 16:11|| Front Page Top

#21 There, I found it. This is still a very watered down version from Fox. The reality will enrage you.

Fatima Group - Paki IED chem suppliers in Indiana ?
Posted by Dron66046 2020-01-09 16:18||   2020-01-09 16:18|| Front Page Top

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