Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Mon 01/09/2006 View Sun 01/08/2006 View Sat 01/07/2006 View Fri 01/06/2006 View Thu 01/05/2006 View Wed 01/04/2006 View Tue 01/03/2006
1
2006-01-09 Home Front: WoT
Moran/Murtha get earfull from returing Vet
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-01-09 10:44|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Murtha is a dem idiot. Nothing more than a parrot stuck in Vietnam. Waste of oxygen.
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 11:11||   2006-01-09 11:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Hurrah for Sgt Seavey!

Nothing like a major bitch-slap at a staged BS event to wake up a few of the bobble-heads. Too bad it will only get coverage in half of the blogosphere.

Mebbe Sgt Seavey will have a go at NaziFartus, and let him know he doesn' think the Doom & Gloom he's peddling is quite accurate. I'll wager, like 90% of the other troops, he'd have a bit to say about that BDS condition, too.

They, the troops, get it. They get it in spades. I look forward, eagerly, to the time these people begin doing more than just voting overwhelmingly for Bush and those who are trying to change the world for the better - I look forward to the day I can vote for them, too.

Thx, CS!
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 11:30||   2006-01-09 11:30|| Front Page Top

#3 Stick it in and break it off Sarge!
Posted by Grans Unaiger4040 2006-01-09 12:27||   2006-01-09 12:27|| Front Page Top

#4 "Many of those at yesterday's forum were Iraq veterans who support Murtha and detailed their frustration with botched missions and shared flak jackets."

The Washington Post

So, i guess Sgt.Seavey and his supporters would say that these Iraq veterans, in support of Con. Murtha are liars, or maybe they just dont "get it"?
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 13:13||   2006-01-09 13:13|| Front Page Top

#5 Actually, I think that's MSM Spin, Assini.
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-01-09 13:21|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-01-09 13:21|| Front Page Top

#6 Further comments from Iraqi War veterans against the Bush administration policy on Iraq at the Murtha/Moran Town Hall Meeting:

January 06, 2006

Murtha reaffirms opposition to war

By Laura M. Colarusso
Times staff writer

"Murtha was not the only former service member at the town hall meeting to speak out against the Bush administration. A handful of former soldiers who fought in Iraq also protested America’s current policy there.

John Bruhns, a former sergeant with the 1st Armored Division, said the White House has not been honest about the lead-up to the war and what has happened in Iraq since the invasion.

“Everything the Bush administration has told us about [this invasion] is absolutely incorrect,” said Bruhns, who has not been able to find a job since he left the military in March 2005 with an honorable discharge.

He implored Murtha “to keep doing what you’re doing.”

In an interview after the forum, Bruhns said Bush and his advisors must be held accountable for “what they did to our country” and because they “either misled us or made an inept decision to lead us to war.”

Like Bruhns, Garett Reppenhagen, a former specialist with the 1st Infantry Division, wants answers for why America invaded Iraq.

“The truth of the matter is, a lot of us feel betrayed and feel there should be an investigation of the administration,” said Reppenhagen, who left the Army in May. He was a sniper in Iraq from February 2004 to February 2005.

“It didn’t seem like we were really bringing democracy” to Iraq, he said. “We were really at a loss [as to] what we were doing there.”

He said anyone who looks at the numbers of ongoing attacks by insurgents and the resulting casualties among both U.S. and Iraqi personnel “can tell … things aren’t getting better.”

I suppose these Iraq military veterans didnt "get it" either?


Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 13:29||   2006-01-09 13:29|| Front Page Top

#7 "Many of those at yesterday's forum were Iraq veterans who support Murtha and detailed their frustration with botched missions and shared flak jackets."
Cassini, having the honored of serving my country for some twenty years I can assure of two thing: 1) You can ALWAYS find someone bitching about soemthing and 2) There NEVER is enough of everything. Given that I doubt the shared flak jacket story because it is an issued item for everyone. I was stationed in California (far away from any action) and I had my deployment bag with my flak vest, web gear, and helmet. Some flak vest are newer or more comfortable and they may have shared them for that reason, but I doubt that any soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine was deployed to Iraq with one each flak vest, helmet, and web gear.
Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge  2006-01-09 13:36||   2006-01-09 13:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Assholeini,
Frustration is normal in combat ops. SNAFU is the military term. In a perfect world, us vets want:
*Forcefields that block all harm, but do not impede movement.
*Clear and consice objectives
*Vehicles that can withstand a nuke hit and are still fast and agile
*Perfect intel about the enemy
*Everyone to love us
*Teleporters so we can spend time with loved ones

However, this is not a perfect world and combat is the complete lack of order.
There is never enough material to go around.
Body armor is too heavy and not protective enough.
Objectives are never very clear, other than "Kill the enemy, but don't level Iraq doing it. Oh and try to find the enemy hidden in the civilian population, but don't piss them off. Oh and make sure a convoy that may or may not be in your area isn't ambushed."
Vehicles are never ready for your operation straight from the factory. Heavy modding is a must.
The enemy never lets you know what you they are doing.
Most people are indifferant to us and dipshits back home like Murtha hate us and stab us in the back.
We are away from people who truely mean a lot to us and care for us.

In short, despite all the crap that is thrown at us, we fullfill the mission despite turdburglers like Murth and you. Please fuck off and die.
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 13:39||   2006-01-09 13:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Cyber Sarge:

Granted, what you say may be true, but I dont think these soldiers are lying. Furthermore the way this article was posted, it would seem that they believe that Sgt. Seavey speaks for all the military over in Iraq. From what I am reading there most assuredly are dissenting opinions within the military over President Bush's Iraq policy.
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 13:48||   2006-01-09 13:48|| Front Page Top

#10 M. Murry:

Thanks for your ass-inine comments.

YOU dont "get it". There are soldiers over in Iraq fighting because they were ORDERED to do it.
NOT because they support the Bush administration blindly as your Sgt. Seavey. That's the point.
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 13:54||   2006-01-09 13:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Ass-ini,
YOU don't get it. We are volunteers. We signed up for the shit. We know what we are in for and are re-upping in record numbers. Are we ordered to Iraq, yes. Just like we were ordered into Kosovo, Saudi, and any other shithole that whatever administration is in power wants us to go to. We do not blindly follow anyone. We support Bush, since we agree with him on Iraq. If we didn't, we would still go there and do our damnedest to get it done and grumble about it. Soldiers grumble all the time, even in the best of deployments. I have severe issues with some of how the occupation was waged. But the State Department had their dick beaters in that one.
Almost all soldiers do not have a "Blind" support for an administration. We do what we signed up for. We do our job. We do not hold blindly to the "official" line the government spews, unlike you with your (D)talkingpoints that you parrot.
"Arrr. Bush's fault! Quagmire!"
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 14:21||   2006-01-09 14:21|| Front Page Top

#12 I don't think they are "lying" either, I just think you are getting half a story. If I had a chance to wear the newer kevlar flak vest on a patrol thatn the bulky Vietnam era flak vest I would swa with a buddy who wasn't going out. Does that mean there is a shortage or just guys swapping newer gear for older ones? BTW I think they both worked the same one just fits better and is less bulky (looks sexy too!). But hey don't take my word for it, join up and see which fits you better.
Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge  2006-01-09 14:36||   2006-01-09 14:36|| Front Page Top

#13 M. Murray.

Thank you for More ass-inine comments.

Density of the brain is your specialty I see.
Reread the comments in post#6. Then read the original post. The article Cyber Sarge is posting gives the impression that Sgt. Seavey speaks for everyone in the military and that they are all pro-Bush on Iraq. Word Up-They are not.
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 15:43||   2006-01-09 15:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Ass-ini.

Obviously, you are a fucking moron. No one is claiming that the Sgt. is speaking for everyone, while you think that Murtha is. Pot kills brain cells, and you have lost most of yours, I see. You think that the soldiers are all poor piss ants that march lock step to the orders of Bush and get bent when someone steps out of line. We get bent when someone makes untrue comments about us and our experiances to score political points and put our lives at risk, which is what Murtha is doing. There is a time and a place to have a drawn out argument over strategy. It is not in front of the media cameras while being a media whore. It emboldens the enemy and causes more people to die.
Please stop wasting our oxygen and do something useful. Like push up daisys.
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 15:50||   2006-01-09 15:50|| Front Page Top

#15 Please do not feed or tease the trolls....
Posted by Mark E. 2006-01-09 15:50||   2006-01-09 15:50|| Front Page Top

#16 M. Murry.

Thanks for evenMore Ass-inine comments.

Murtha is doing nothing of what you are saying ,which reveals that you are dense. youre just repeating the same bs every republican is saying because Murtha blew the cover over off of Bush's wagon exposing it for anyone with common sense who isnt brainwashed to see.

You want to see a brainwashed, robotic rnc troll?

Look in the mirror..lmao
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 16:01||   2006-01-09 16:01|| Front Page Top

#17 btw:

what is it with this "our" (as in "our time") stuff? are you speaking for yourself or for your group?are you all part of a brainless robotic rnc "collective" or do any of you have the capacity to speak independently? I feel like I'm speaking to "The Borg"..lmao
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 16:07||   2006-01-09 16:07|| Front Page Top

#18 What does lmao mean?
Is it a killer comeback?
Can I use it?

lmao. How was that?
Posted by Saint Alphonso 2006-01-09 16:47||   2006-01-09 16:47|| Front Page Top

#19 I do not belong to the Republican party. I speak from my experiance as a combat vet and am using the "US" as 99% of vets have the same opinions as the ones I stated. BTW, what "Talking points" have I used? I agree with Bush on taking out Saddam, but I think he is a spineless wimp when standing up to the state department and others in Washington. Is that a "Talking Point"? Give me actual proof from experiance to back up what you say is correct from Murtha. Have you been in the desert? Have you served with the line units? Are they broken and low moral? No. If they were, the major fact would be that the military wouldn't have the 110% retention rate they do now. Soldiers that have spent 2 years in Iraq are re-upping to do it again. And this in a booming economy that they would make a hell of a lot more money in the civilian world. You call me brainwashed and refuse to argue facts. You just post what you see in liberal publications. I know it is hard work doing that from your mother's basement, but try to move your fat, pastey ass off the chair and get out into the world. Sunlight might do you good. Or melt you into the quivering puddle of goo. Either way, the world is better off.
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 16:48||   2006-01-09 16:48|| Front Page Top

#20 Cassini, while I don’t like to feed trolls this much I feel you need to look at what your are saying. Nobody (including myself) has said this one soldier speaks for EVERY soldier. He does appear to speak for A unit that JUST came back from Iraq and IS (supposedly) Represented by Congressman Moran. The fact that Congressman DID NOT get his anti-Bush stories from his own constituents led me to believe he is NO LONGER representative of his district. While Sgt Seavey may not represent all members of the Armed Forces, the same is definitely true of those who (for some unknown reason) lack body armor in a combat zone. The vast majority seems to be well supplied and highly motivated. If that weren’t the case re-enlistment numbers would not be above 90%. Like I said earlier you can ALWAYS find someone to bitch and I have done some of that myself. Also, I encourage to visit your local Armed Forces recruiter, enlist, investigate the matter from the inside, and prove us all wrong by finding a vast anti-Bush climate among the Armed Forces.
Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge  2006-01-09 16:57||   2006-01-09 16:57|| Front Page Top

#21 M. Murray:

Personally, I dont who the hell you are. This is the internet, You can say or be anybody you want to be. I think you are a phony misrepresenting yourself to be someone you are not.

On Murtha, you're doing nothing but repeating rnc talking points..they and you are pissed that he exposed Bush's phony Iraq war to be exactly what it is:
A tremendous waste of time, money and u.s. military lives.

If Al Qaeda decides to unleash a domestic attack on the U.S. tommorow or in the near future, tell me how in the hell is anything going on in Iraq going to stop it. You and people that think like you dont use common sense.
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 16:58||   2006-01-09 16:58|| Front Page Top

#22 Cyber Sarge:

I have refrained from calling you names because I am trying to remain civil with you.

I did a internet search after this town hall meeting and repubs/con networks are trumpeting
Sgt. Seavey's comments as if he was "the story"
at the meeting.

What I have done is to post written comments to show that he absolutely wasnt and that there are
those within the military that definitely disagree with him and President Bush on Iraq.
If you cant understand that then there isnt really much more i can say.
Posted by Cassini 2006-01-09 17:06||   2006-01-09 17:06|| Front Page Top

#23 Hey I just figured it out! Ok gang if you were part of a combat unit deploying to Iraq and they didn’t give you body armor what would you think? I am guessing that maybe they wanted to get rid of a few of the malcontents through attrition? I am just spit balling here so let me know what you all think. Like if Cassini joined up and bitched, bitched, bitched, and bitched every day about it being Bushes War, Oil, Haliburton, Cheney, Gitmo, and Rove. Now you find yourself going to Iraq with this malcontent and you are in charge of passing out body armor to the troops, sorry Pvt Cassini you’ll just have to keep your head down until the next shipment comes. Now it all makes sense!
Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge  2006-01-09 17:13||   2006-01-09 17:13|| Front Page Top

#24 The way I see it M Murray has one hand on a rifle and the other on his keyboard to protect the rights of Assini who can have both hands down his pants while his mom types.

Gotta love America.
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-01-09 20:25||   2006-01-09 20:25|| Front Page Top

#25 How is it a waste? For the first time in history, a democratic Iraq is taking shape. Hell, even if it only buys 10 years worth of stability in the region, it is worth it. We are fighting to make people free. To allow themselves to decide their OWN fate. So, according to your logic, the Civil War that America fought was a waste since it freed the slaves.
Iraq is an experiment, and it could very well head south in a hurry. But if it succeeds, we will have an Islamic nation with freedom of speech, religion and tolerance. The same things which brought Japan such prosperity. (Yes I know Japan is still slightly Xenophobic, but they are improving and are a hell of a lot better than 60 years ago). The Middle East could actually contribute to the world ideas and economic growth instead of trying to tear down everything that the rest of the world has made. This is why we are there. This is why people like my brothers and sisters are sacrificing their lives, bodies and time away from families. It is something that you will obviously never understand or appreciate in your hate filled, prejudice soul. We are fighting for the prospect of a good future. It is too bad you and the rest of your ilk are stuck in the rancid past.
As I said before, do us a favor and go push up some daisies. You are not contributing anything good to the world, just sucking up resources like a parasite.
Posted by mmurray821 2006-01-09 20:58||   2006-01-09 20:58|| Front Page Top

#26 *bravo* mmurray!

This troll, known by Cassini and Left Angle, is an insipid and banal drone.

You nailed him. Thanx for your perseverance - and truthful view of what is, gutting the BDS bile of the cut & run Kool Aid Kiddies.

:-)
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 21:14||   2006-01-09 21:14|| Front Page Top

#27 Heh, what a difference deliberately dropping a letter makes! ;)
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-01-09 22:28|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-01-09 22:28|| Front Page Top

23:59 .com
23:42 Sock Puppet O´ Doom
23:40 JosephMendiola
23:37 Skidmark
23:35 3dc
23:25 twobyfour
23:19 Eric Jablow
23:14 Dave D.
23:12 Zenster
23:05 Sock Puppet O´ Doom
22:59 JosephMendiola
22:57 Sock Puppet O´ Doom
22:56 .com
22:52 JosephMendiola
22:46 3dc
22:43 Dave D.
22:42 3dc
22:40 Ernest Brown
22:37 .com
22:36 .com
22:36 3dc
22:30 .com
22:28 49 Pan
22:28 JosephMendiola









Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com