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2006-01-09 Britain
Labor MPs leaked Bush plan to attack al-Jazheera
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Posted by too true 2006-01-09 09:55|| || Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 the battlelines in the war on terror are not national ....

That's too true!
Posted by 2b 2006-01-09 10:15||   2006-01-09 10:15|| Front Page Top

#2 Labor MPs leaked Bush plan to attack al-Jazheera and CNN!
Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-09 11:09||   2006-01-09 11:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Reading the article, I find that part of the reason for the leak was the "hope to influence the 2004 Presidential election" - hoping to defeat Bush and elect Kerry. They need to be visited late at night by a dozen Scottish ghosts of the Battle of Culloden (or at least a dozen Marines wearing appropriate makeup and costumes). I don't know who "decided" it was appropriate for foreign nationals to interfere in our presidential elections, but the capital of the next nation that does it needs to have a nuclear sunrise some night around midnight.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-01-09 14:14|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-01-09 14:14|| Front Page Top

#4 I don't know who "decided" it was appropriate for foreign nationals to interfere in our presidential elections, but the capital of the next nation that does it needs to have a nuclear sunrise some night around midnight.

Go ahead. Nuke the United Kingdom. I double-dog-dare you.

Though strangely enough, I don't think you'd consider it justified if people got to nuke Washington D.C. for the interference America has had on national politics worldwide, some it much more forceful than mere "leaks".
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 15:54||   2006-01-09 15:54|| Front Page Top

#5 I double-dog-dare you.


I nuke who I want when I want.

Today


Tomorrow maybe Greece
Posted by Red Dod 2006-01-09 16:55||   2006-01-09 16:55|| Front Page Top

#6 Aris, let me let you in on a secret: OP was using byperbole. Since I learned yesterday that you don't do research on the internet, I decided to provide an example of it.

I went to http://dictionary.com and looked up 'hyperbole' (see below). And guess what? It is a Greek in origin, so you might know it.

hy·per·bo·le P Pronunciation Key (h-pûrb-l)
n.
A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

[Latin hyperbol, from Greek huperbol, excess, from huperballein, to exceed : huper, beyond; see hyper- + ballein, to throw; see gwel- in Indo-European Roots.]

So, you see, OP didn't really mean he wants to nuke the UK (your suggestion), but wanted to emphasize how displeased he (and RBers, I'd say in general) was with foreigners surreptiously interfering with US elections.

Now to the RANT.

The reason OP is upset is because US Presidental elections are important, for Americans and the rest of the world too. Unlike in Europe, where the government (EU) ignores the people's vote (Phrancistan) and just "keeps on keepin' on" as if it never happened. The "People" spoke? Huh? There have been revolutions for less.

But, what can the European sheeple do? Nothing. Bupkus. Zilch. Nil. Collectively, Europe has decided they'd rather live in a 'protected PC camp'. They have dropped their arms, removed their cajones and bent over, hoping they will be last or maybe even survive. As a famous European once said:
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Every time I read this, I think of the EU. And you, Aris. Sitting in your ivory tower, pouting about those eevil Americans running roughshod over the world. While WE (Americans) fight, struggle, and fund this war for all of humanity.

In fact, the 'better men' Mr. Mill speaks of are Americans, Aris. It is Americans who are 'manning the watchtowers', spilling blood and facing off with an incredible Evil. An evil which would destroy the most advanced and benevolent civilization ever known, with the worst sort of barbarity ever seen in recorded history. However, Aris, no need to pout. Americans do know how to fight and crush barbarians (see Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany).

American has been fighting this war with one hand tied behind our back, all of the fingers of the other hand bound together and wearing shackles.

However, you should we suffer a mass-casualty attack, our enemies should read about a man named 'Sherman' and a place called 'Atlanta' to learn how we can wage war, total war. God might have mercy upon our enemies, but we will not.
Posted by Brett 2006-01-09 16:57||   2006-01-09 16:57|| Front Page Top

#7 9.8
Posted by Glomoper Cleath8438 2006-01-09 17:19||   2006-01-09 17:19|| Front Page Top

#8 Brett> And people accuse *me* of being long-winded.

I indeed do research on the internet (notoriously so) -- to answer the questions *I* have, not as your slave for the questions *you* demanded of me, your majesty. But given *your* shown unwillingness to research *your own* questions, I have probably done more research on the internet this past week than you've done your whole life.

So, you see, OP didn't really mean he wants to nuke the UK (your suggestion), but wanted to emphasize how displeased he (and RBers, I'd say in general) was with foreigners surreptiously interfering with US elections.

That's cool. If I say "I hope Washington gets nuked" the next time something the Bush administration does displeases me, I hope y'all see the hyperbole behind the comment.

And yes I do indeed know the word hyperbole, since it's modern Greek as well, meaning "exaggeration".

Forgive me if I avoid to read the even more tedious anti-European blah-blah, that I now see follows the etymological blah-blah.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 17:57||   2006-01-09 17:57|| Front Page Top

#9 A last sidenote -- having just finally taken the trouble to skim the rant comments of Brett with all the unoriginal "God take mercy on our opponents because we won't" cliches...

... Brett, just for your education: it's the macho posturing that I found contemptuous, both in Old Patriot's comment and now in yours.

If I had thought OP had *meant* the nuking comments, then he'd have gotten words from me that accused him of being a genocidal murderer at heart. He got a mere "double-dog-dare" because his nuking "hyperbole" just made him a posturing macho buffoon instead, same as with many people whose words don't match their actual opinions. And posturing buffoons need to be told to put their money where their mouth is.

Your own posturing, with unoriginal cliches in addition, doesn't make you any better.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 18:21||   2006-01-09 18:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Aris, a hint:

When you slip and fall on stage, just get on with the play. Don't try to work the fall in and convince the audience that it's what you meant to do.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-01-09 18:58||   2006-01-09 18:58|| Front Page Top

#11 Steve White, I honestly do think that OP's words don't reveal a hateful genocidal mania but a macho buffoonery that takes pride in its own arrogance instead.

I don't really care if you don't believe me. There's too many times you people have thought that I've failed to understand the existence of sarcasm when I was merely objecting to its target, and too many times when my failure to laugh has made you think that I failed to catch the intended humour.

But if you opt to think I "slipped and fell", have it your way.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 19:04||   2006-01-09 19:04|| Front Page Top

#12 :>
Posted by Glomoper Cleath8438 2006-01-09 19:04||   2006-01-09 19:04|| Front Page Top

#13 Question for the mods. When are you going to ban this troll again?

I have had it with threads getting hijacked and becoming about Aris not about the topic. People just don't get it and keep feeding the trolls.
Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2006-01-09 19:07||   2006-01-09 19:07|| Front Page Top

#14 Sock Puppet, it's not me that makes threads be about me rather than about the topic at hand.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 19:10||   2006-01-09 19:10|| Front Page Top

#15 Ditto what SPoD said. This neurotic asshole was banned last year for his disruptive behavior, and he should have STAYED banned. Why the hell he wasn't, is beyond me. GET RID OF THE DAMNED JERK!!!!
Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-01-09 19:12||   2006-01-09 19:12|| Front Page Top

#16 I honestly do think that OP's words don't reveal a hateful genocidal mania but a macho buffoonery that takes pride in its own arrogance instead.

You misread him. OP's words reveal the anger of a man who gave of himself in many ways to oppose tyranny and sees some dismiss or scorn the sacrifices he and others made on behalf of many -- Greece included.

He gave his service, in uniform for 26 years; his opportunity to live a settled and perhaps more prosperous life; and even aspects of his health in that service.

And before you dismiss his opinions too smugly, IIRC that service included daily use of fluent Arabic and direct familiarity with many of the issues and players in the region today.
Posted by lotp 2006-01-09 19:22||   2006-01-09 19:22|| Front Page Top

#17 Quite the contrast with the downy-cheeked child who's having his first actual experience in The Big World - yet still lectures at large on every topic, lotp. ;-)
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 19:28||   2006-01-09 19:28|| Front Page Top

#18 This neurotic asshole was banned last year for his disruptive behavior, and he should have STAYED banned.

"disruptive behaviour"="not falling in line"
"neurotic asshole"="challenging hypocricy"
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 19:35||   2006-01-09 19:35|| Front Page Top

#19 And btw, Dave I have to say that I was banned NOT for general "disruptive behaviour" but for expressing the hope that Frank drops dead. Or atleast I was banned so soon after doing so that it seems the most likely immediate cause.
Posted by Aris Katsaris">Aris Katsaris  2006-01-09 19:40||   2006-01-09 19:40|| Front Page Top

#20 January, a cruel month.
Posted by Angiter Sleretle1106 2006-01-09 19:47||   2006-01-09 19:47|| Front Page Top

#21 Again Aris derails an important issue. Second one tonight. I agree SPOD, nix this jerk.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-01-09 20:10||   2006-01-09 20:10|| Front Page Top

#22 Beautiful read Brett. Post #7 should take post of the week! IMHO.
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-01-09 20:10||   2006-01-09 20:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Thanks, intrinsicpilot!

Aris, Aris, Aris. I sure hope Fred doesn't ban you. Now to your comments on my comments....

1. I love being called a "macho posturer". That is sooo hot! I might get my

2. Is there any other kind of cliche other than "unoriginial". it can't be a cliche (yet) if I just created it.

3. Awwww. come on and be my slave, Aris. I have this nice collar you could wear.....

Aris, did you read Steyn's masterpiece on Demographics in Europe? You should read it, 'fisk' it and put the results here. She us what you have. Create a logical argument as to why you are correct. Then, we can snipe comment, just like you do.
Posted by Brett 2006-01-09 20:31||   2006-01-09 20:31|| Front Page Top

#24 Brett - I concur with IP and GC (#8) - solid truth to finger-wagging vapor. That you have to say what is blatantly obvious and then be sniped by Mr Snippy, well, there's an RB MoH and PH due. Fred? Lol. It rocked, bro.

Now about this in #1 of comment #25:
"I might get my "

Um, heh, wanna complete that thought? Lol. Just wondering. Something about your dancing shoes, maybe?

;-)
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 20:43||   2006-01-09 20:43|| Front Page Top

#25 Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, .com. Coming from you, I am honored.

What I was going to type is: I might get my James Van Fleet toy soldier out and put him back in action, just like 1949-50 before he went to Korea.
Posted by Brett 2006-01-09 20:51||   2006-01-09 20:51|| Front Page Top

#26 Lol - I knew about Utah beach from readings and a little research some time back, but: a) didn't know he'd been in Patton's 3rd and b) had forgotten about his time in Korea. Google is my friend, er sometimes, lol. Made to 100. That's amazing...

No I'm honored - and I'm jealous, y'know - I wish I had posted it, lol. Hell I wish I had the calm and crystal clarity you demonstrated.

More, please!
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 21:08||   2006-01-09 21:08|| Front Page Top

#27 Brett, Great JSM quote. On the money.
Posted by phil_b">phil_b  2006-01-09 21:24|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]  2006-01-09 21:24|| Front Page Top

#28 Well, stand back and be educated! My knowledge comes from a fascination with the Korean War (and I can name 'Rivers and Regiments') where Van Fleet followed Ridgway.

Before James van Fleet went to Korea, he was running the American effort to save Greece from Yugoslav-backed Greek Communists. From what I have read, Van Fleet trained and ran the Greek Army, defeating the Commies and saving Greece to continue as part of Western Civilization. One should consider James Van Fleet the father of the modern Greek state. Heh.

A segue to the one of my favorite quotes from the Korean War. During the battle of Chipyong, the 23rd Regiment was attacked by an estimated 2 CCF Divisions. The CCF used their 'human wave' tactics against American firepower. The best weapons were the tracked "quad-.50" (http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/50quad.htm) and napalm. After the CCF formation were broken, Corsairs dropped napalm on them. When Ridgway visited, the Commander showed him the burned chinese bodies and called them "Chink Fricase". I love the visual.

/History lesson off.
Posted by Brett 2006-01-09 21:40||   2006-01-09 21:40|| Front Page Top

#29 Thanks, phil_b. It is one of my favorite quotes.

Aris, please come back! I am looking for your fisking of Steyn's piece. Go for it. Maybe even take a day or two and do some of that excellent internet research you do and blow him away. If you do, I am sure the RBers will respond positively, errr, well let's just say respond.
Posted by Brett 2006-01-09 21:47||   2006-01-09 21:47|| Front Page Top

#30 proud of me .com?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-01-09 22:10||   2006-01-09 22:10|| Front Page Top

#31 Wow - yer first post in the thread! My hero! Lol.
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 22:13||   2006-01-09 22:13|| Front Page Top

#32  but I bit a half inch off my tongue LOL

I'm just tired of it, as well. I get no kick from it any more. Hold me to it
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-01-09 22:20||   2006-01-09 22:20|| Front Page Top

#33 Lol - a mutual STFU Society? Lol. I sorta practice it - working out to something like every other day, now.

But Brett has to keep posting, lol!
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 22:30||   2006-01-09 22:30|| Front Page Top

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