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2006-01-09 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
IRGC ground forces commander killed in plane crash
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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-01-09 04:36|| || Front Page|| [11142 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Interesting how "pilot error" is never mentioned as a potential cause.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-09 06:39||   2006-01-09 06:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Any US made transport aircraft that Iran is flying are so old and popular that parts are avilable on the open market. Poor maintance and pilot error are to blame not any embargo.
Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2006-01-09 06:57||   2006-01-09 06:57|| Front Page Top

#3 You mean you guys don't realize that 'pilot error' is the FAA's all purpose cover line ?
Iran is not the FAA.
Posted by wxjames 2006-01-09 07:38||   2006-01-09 07:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Rearangements at the top?
Posted by gromgoru 2006-01-09 07:42||   2006-01-09 07:42|| Front Page Top

#5 The Zionist Death Ray strikes again! Kudos to the Mossad for another success ('cause it couldn't possibly be American Special Forces fiddling with the fiddly bits at night in the hangers, or shining laser pointers into the pilots' eyes). ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-01-09 08:00||   2006-01-09 08:00|| Front Page Top

#6 "...blamed the U.S. trade embargo which makes it impossible for Iran to buy parts for its old U.S.-built aircraft."

"...Russian-made Ilyushin-76 carrying ... crashed in the mountains of southeastern Iran."

"...Russian-made Tupolev Tu-154 struck snow-covered mountains in western Iran, killing all 119 people on board."

I didn't know the embargo worked against Russian aircraft parts too. I guess Iran didn't have an 'oil-for-food' loophole in their embargo.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2006-01-09 08:14||   2006-01-09 08:14|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm presuming this is a French plane. Can anybody confirm?
Posted by mhw 2006-01-09 08:24||   2006-01-09 08:24|| Front Page Top

#8 Dassault makes them. Yes, it's French. Google is your friend.
Posted by 11A5S 2006-01-09 08:36||   2006-01-09 08:36|| Front Page Top

#9 The Falcon is France's contribution to the WOT.

Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-01-09 09:17||   2006-01-09 09:17|| Front Page Top

#10 And a fine one it is, JFM. Perhaps Ahmadisnutz needs a ride somewhere soon?
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-01-09 09:37||   2006-01-09 09:37|| Front Page Top

#11 Soooo...... Enquiring minds want to knnow....who is responsible? The possibilities are endless! Let's hope that what this wasn't, was an IRGC coup planned against Ahammadaboutjihad, that crashed and burned. AhNeedMeds is mad-hatter crazy and I can see that being a perfectly valid potential scenario. But who knows?
Posted by 2b 2006-01-09 09:48||   2006-01-09 09:48|| Front Page Top

#12 BTW Dassault is mostly in the hands of the Dassault family and they have Jewish roots (Its creator Marcel Dassault formerly Marcel Bloch converted to catholicism during or after WWII, don't remember)
Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-01-09 10:19||   2006-01-09 10:19|| Front Page Top

#13 #12 is an interesting comment, JFM.
Posted by 2b 2006-01-09 10:23||   2006-01-09 10:23|| Front Page Top

#14 When you have a country run by Mad Mullahs, what do you expect? THEY are in charge of the laws of physics through Allan. Take a look at the Bam earthquake disaster. Anyone that flies or maintains these aircraft are ultimately answerable to the MMs, so heroic maintenance and procurement is going against the will of the MMs, who have other priorities with the public purse. I am sure that this systemic weakness is being taken into consideration in our war planning. It damned well better be.
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2006-01-09 10:25||   2006-01-09 10:25|| Front Page Top

#15 War planning, we don't do war planning.
The dhimmocrats would never allow it.
Posted by wxjames 2006-01-09 10:57||   2006-01-09 10:57|| Front Page Top

#16 Personally, I think God struck them dead because they didn't have enough shariah in their diet.
Posted by Fred 2006-01-09 11:15||   2006-01-09 11:15|| Front Page Top

#17 The Pat Robertsonian effect was it Fred? A lot of that going around lately.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-09 11:18||   2006-01-09 11:18|| Front Page Top

#18 One possible contribution to the aircraft safety problem in Iran is the replacement of competant people by ideologically pure people. It doesn't seem like this could actually trickle down to the mechanic level but it could easily trickle down to the ispection level.
Posted by mhw 2006-01-09 12:21||   2006-01-09 12:21|| Front Page Top

#19 When NTSB starts including "god's will" as a possible crash cause, we'll know it's too late...
Posted by tu3031 2006-01-09 12:26||   2006-01-09 12:26|| Front Page Top

#20 According this, Kazemihad been head of the IRGC Air Force until last August. Then there's this,

Another Guards commander...[replaced] in the reshuffle is Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi, commander of the IRGC Air Force. Kazemi replaced Mohammad-Baqer Qalibaf when the latter was appointed as the police chief in 2000, but Khamenei is said to want a more robust commander to lead the IRGC Air Force to achieve faster progress in the ballistic missile development under his command.

That last part doesn't exactly square with another take:

The Islamic regime is increasing its preparation for its last stand against the Iranian Nation and the world community. Several commanders of the regime's Pasdaran Corp. (Revolutionary Guards) have been changed on the Supreme Leader's instruction. Generals Mohammad-Ali Jaffari and Ahmad Kazemi have been nominated, today, to two key posts which will allow a better control of the Pasdaran Corp. by the clerical leadership.
Posted by Pappy 2006-01-09 12:56||   2006-01-09 12:56|| Front Page Top

#21 What chance of Irans most competent mechanics being drafted to the nuke scheme, eg to run centrifuges.
Posted by Grunter 2006-01-09 13:01||   2006-01-09 13:01|| Front Page Top

#22 Well, RG commanders are appointed directly by Khamenei... so if this is a hit, it's Ahmadinejad's doing (I guess.)

Hmmmmmmmmm...

Posted by Chinter Flarong9283 2006-01-09 13:10||   2006-01-09 13:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Is it too late to start the rumor that the CIA did it? It would be easy for the MM's™ to believe it, whether we had a hand in it or not.

So if the Iranian secret intel service is googling this right now, THE CIA DID IT!
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-01-09 13:23||   2006-01-09 13:23|| Front Page Top

#24 Well, it could have been the Mossad, too.
Posted by Matt 2006-01-09 13:25||   2006-01-09 13:25|| Front Page Top

#25 No big BOOM, no flames. From the photo, wreckage appeared to be pretty much in tact! Could have simply ran outta motion lotion. Pays to tap on the gauge now and then, just in case.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-09 13:36||   2006-01-09 13:36|| Front Page Top

#26 As an aside.... I don't know if the more embarassing aviation accident cause is "fuel exhaustion" or "controlled flight into terrain." Both are pretty stupid.
Posted by Mark E. 2006-01-09 14:16||   2006-01-09 14:16|| Front Page Top

#27 interesting thread from Free Republic (old) I discovered when googling Pasdaran Corp. Wish I had time to read it all.
link

Posted by 2b 2006-01-09 14:34||   2006-01-09 14:34|| Front Page Top

#28 Lot's of recent "one-point" landings of late.

US SF is all over this one, busy preparing the battle field.

Good work!
Posted by Captain America 2006-01-09 14:49||   2006-01-09 14:49|| Front Page Top

#29 I was kind of hoping Iran was right and the embargo had something to do with it, chalk one up for ol Condi and the State team. But the reality sets in, if France can get Nuclear equipment and materieal in well aircraft parts would be a no brainer. Unfortunately Poor maintenance and stupid pilots are more likely at fault here. "Fuel check? Allah be with us! We don't need no stinkin fuel check".
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-01-09 15:26||   2006-01-09 15:26|| Front Page Top

#30 I'd rather they think a dissident faction did a hit. Start the purges!
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-01-09 16:43||   2006-01-09 16:43|| Front Page Top

#31 Jet turbines are touchy items, and require regular attention from well-trained individuals. Also, political commissars do NOT make the best inspectors on highly-involved mechanical work. Sabotage with a "modified" part would not be that difficult under such circumstances. Not excluding the fact that an "Inshallah" approach to basic maintenance can be deadly on aircraft.
Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-01-09 17:36||   2006-01-09 17:36|| Front Page Top

#32 They must be getting their fuel gauges and altimeters from Fred's sympathy meter supplier...
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-01-09 17:47||   2006-01-09 17:47|| Front Page Top

#33 that was good SF!!
Posted by 49 Pan 2006-01-09 17:49||   2006-01-09 17:49|| Front Page Top

#34 My personal prayer in all of this is that what we are seeing now is an Iranian variation of the Night of the Long Knives : one of the power factions has cut a deal with the regular Army and Police to eliminate the IRGC leadership, in return for their support when their nut Prez crosses their Rubicon.
Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-01-09 18:18||   2006-01-09 18:18|| Front Page Top

#35 Good lord, a civil war in the makings?? As unfortunate as it would be a civil was would set them back years in their quest for nukes and give us time on the Iraq rebuild.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-01-09 19:39||   2006-01-09 19:39|| Front Page Top

#36 Holy Extrapolation, Batman! Let's not get too excited. After all, it could have just been lack of airspeed, altitude, and ideas, all at the same time.

There is nothing more worthless than:
1. Altitude above you.
2. Runway behind you.
3. Fuel in the fuel truck.

Or it could be the fuel and altimeter aftermarket parts, like Seafarious sez. LOL, Sea!
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2006-01-09 21:20||   2006-01-09 21:20|| Front Page Top

#37 ...and one more AP,

4. and 1/2 second ago
Posted by Rafael 2006-01-09 22:12||   2006-01-09 22:12|| Front Page Top

#38 5. Some mad Mulla doing the QC on maitenance.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-01-09 22:28||   2006-01-09 22:28|| Front Page Top

#39 IM = Insh'allah Maintenance, lol.

I heard some excellent stories at the Dhahran AB in '92, lol. Terrified Saudi pilots were always a favorite topic, heh. I bought a truck which happened to have a gate pass, leaving it on was part of the deal, so I could go to the E & O Clubs, eat real food - even during prayer-time (gasp!) and hang out with regular people. Alas, I didn't have access in my later tour - and I think the US Mil had been wholly replaced by contractors, anyway.
Posted by .com 2006-01-09 22:36||   2006-01-09 22:36|| Front Page Top

#40 Lots of news today - REGIMECHANGE IRAN reports it believes Iran may have up to four nukes bombs already. Meanwhile our alleged good friends the Russians on PRAVDA are wondering whom killed off Kazemi and other incidents - read, Dubya and the USA. TERRADAILY.com reports that Chinese growth, espec in population and consumption, may eventually threaten the entire planet, which seemingly is in line with PRAVDA's "THE EARTH IS DEAD" artic which again is in line with Steven C Hoagland's belief on COASTTOCOASTAM show that Iran already has nukes, and that alleged "Global Gulag-ists", Socialists, Globalists, Governmentists and Poligarchs intend to PC "eliminate" approximately 5 1/2 BILLION persons, as many as necesary, for the sake of resources-control and Globalist/Global Utopia. Hoagland's "Global Gulag-ists" > America vv the WOT and 9-11 are fighting a PRE-SET, PRE-DETERMINED, PC/PDENIABLE alleged "MANUFACTURED WAR" for control of the world, or words to that effect. Both Hoagland and O'REILLY [vv ACLU and its agenda] believe that AMERICA'S SOVEREIGNTY AND ITS DESTRUCTION IS THE IMMEDIATE PRIORITY/OBJECTIVE OF BOTH [HOAGLAND'S] ALLEGED GLOBAL GULAGISTS AND [O'REILLY'S SUPER-LEFTY] "ACLU". STAY ARMED AND STAY VIGILANT, RANTERS.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-01-09 22:52||   2006-01-09 22:52|| Front Page Top

#41 OK, cut this guy's caffine ration.
Posted by Skidmark 2006-01-09 23:37||   2006-01-09 23:37|| Front Page Top

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