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2016-01-02 -Land of the Free

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Posted by badanov 2016-01-02 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11124 views ] Top

#1 Pacifism works less well when one is surrounded by danger.

Posted by Super Hose 2016-01-02 00:45|| 2016-01-02 00:45|| Front Page Top

#2 What you will expect from WPost?

So i guess i can't be pro-life and be pro-life.

Since life always ends in death.

Posted by Lionel Thoth9784 2016-01-02 01:09|| 2016-01-02 01:09|| Front Page Top

#3 No. Pro-life is about protecting the innocent. Pro-gun is about protecting the innocent.

We begin with the KJV on the sited passage Exodus 22:2-3...

22:2 If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.

So, thieves in the night are unprotected by the commandment to not kill.

Next...

22:3 If the sun be risen upon him (the thief), there shall be blood shed for him (the thief); for he (the thief) should make full restitution; if he (the thief) have nothing, then he (the thief) shall be sold for his theft.

So, if a thief is killed while breaking up during the day, the person having killed the thief is liable for preventing the thief from making restitution for his crimes or being sold into slavery for his crime, but is not liable for having killed the thief. Sounds like a civil matter of money and restitution, not a religious one.

For discussions about just wars and civil responsibility of the Christian, pursue the writings of Saint Augustine, based on Romans 13-4, discussing the enforcement of the (civil) law through the authority of the government (Caesar), which in the USofA is in part enforced by the militia including all males 17-45, 10 U.S. Code § 311.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

So, doing wrong invites the representatives of the ruler to open up a righteous can of wrathful whoop-ass on you and the Secular penalties to those representatives are as described by Secular law, which is sometimes sad for Police in Baltimore, but is much less bad for homeowners in Detroit. But no matter what the Secular law is, in this area of punishing wrong-doers, scripture is clear that "rulers do not bear the sword for no reason."

So, this entire article is hogwash.

Posted by rammer 2016-01-02 01:09|| 2016-01-02 01:09|| Front Page Top

#4 Evangelical means "good news." The Gospel of Jesus the Christ is called, in Greek, the evangelium. The "good news" that is the Gospel is freedom from anything (e.g., rules, values) or anyone (e.g., prelates) that/who would come between God and any person. So, a person who wants to defend themself and/or their family or friends or even a stranger with a firearm or any other weapon is practicing the Gospel.

And, Jesus the Christ did too use violence when He deemed appropriate, as against the money-changers and as His curse upon the whole of Jerusalem for rejecting His offer of freedom, a curse made palpable by Titus in 72 AD.

I out-rank this moron, who is really a political activist, in pedigree and position and declare him an insane, lying, anti-Christian self-promoter. The tip-off is in the first sentence of his third paragraph: his words "gun violence." There is no such thing. Never has been, never will be.

Someone paid him good money to write this charlatan's nonsense. Who today call themselves evangelicals descend from the Left Wing of the Reformation, from Anabaptists. Their forebears always have fought the rule of law and argued for the rule of whim, which they call Divine Inspiration.

Posted by TopRev 2016-01-02 01:48|| 2016-01-02 01:48|| Front Page Top

#5 So, thieves in the night are unprotected by the commandment to not kill.

Mistranslation. The commandment is not to murder. All sorts of killings are Biblically not only permitted, but required.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-01-02 01:56|| 2016-01-02 01:56|| Front Page Top

#6 As for the rest of rammer's argument, not to mention Top Rev's: well said, gentlemen.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-01-02 02:00|| 2016-01-02 02:00|| Front Page Top

#7 TW, I am schooled in Latin, but uncomfortable in the translation subtleties here. My KJV says:

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

According to Bible Gateway, the New KJV says:

Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.

So, I am not going to disagree with you. But I assert that either your or my translation yields the same spiritual guidance, which is that the death of a thief in the night is not proscribed.

Posted by rammer 2016-01-02 02:38|| 2016-01-02 02:38|| Front Page Top

#8 I Love how these anti-american atheists are such learned theologians. So learned in both Christianity and Islam!

No wonder the moslems love them almost as much as we do.

Posted by Nguard 2016-01-02 02:55|| 2016-01-02 02:55|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm with TopRev, I blame Anabaptists.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-01-02 03:35|| 2016-01-02 03:35|| Front Page Top

#10 rammer, what matters is the original Hebrew, which was subsequently translated into Latin, and thence to English. Here is a succinct but thorough exegesis.

But I assert that either your or my translation yields the same spiritual guidance, which is that the death of a thief in the night is not proscribed.

Agreed. And so, clearly, would the rabbi at the link, were that question asked him directly.

Posted by trailing wife 2016-01-02 07:27|| 2016-01-02 07:27|| Front Page Top

#11 Well, I'm not "pro-life". In fact, I support "retroactive abortion" in some cases.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2016-01-02 08:02|| 2016-01-02 08:02|| Front Page Top

#12 Me, too. I used to be in favor of it to age 21, but I think thirty's about right now.

Posted by Fred 2016-01-02 09:06|| 2016-01-02 09:06|| Front Page Top

#13 Age restrictions are discriminatory.

Posted by Besoeker 2016-01-02 09:17|| 2016-01-02 09:17|| Front Page Top

#14 I am pro-gun because I am pro-life...MINE

I've kept myself alive with firearms for a long time and I do not intend to stop.

All of the states can do and say what they want and the emptysuit can issue any executive order he wants but the truth is I will always have a gun and I will always carry a gun.

Permit, I don't need no stinking permit. Self defense is a constitutional right and I believe permits are unconstitutional.

Posted by Bill Clinton 2016-01-02 11:36|| 2016-01-02 11:36|| Front Page Top

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