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Iraq
New U.S. armored trucks are symbolic targets: general
2007-08-26
ABERDEEN, Maryland (Reuters) - New armored vehicles that give extra protection to U.S. troops in Iraq are becoming symbolic targets for insurgents, the top military officer in charge of acquiring the vehicles said on Friday.

The Pentagon says the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles, which have V-shaped hulls to disperse the impact of bomb blasts, will save the lives of many U.S. troops and is rushing them to Iraq.

But Marine Corps Brig. Gen. Michael Brogan suggested the hype surrounding the vehicles was putting them at greater risk, pushing insurgents to see them as a challenge to be defeated. "As we field these things, because of what all you are doing and how much you are touting the fact that they protect our troops ... these are becoming symbolic targets," he told reporters at an MRAP demonstration organized by the U.S. military. "That in and of itself is not a good thing," he said.

The boxy, truck-like MRAPs, which come in various sizes and were originally developed in South Africa, give much greater protection than the Humvee vehicles used by many U.S. troops in Iraq against bombs planted on or beside roads. The Pentagon says 6,415 MRAPs have been ordered and more than 225 have been fielded.

Brogan did not give examples of incidents in which he believed an MRAP had been targeted because of its status. He said he was reluctant to give many details of the program for fear that they could be useful to insurgents.

"Imagine if I'm a football coach and I've developed a play that's going to score every time I run it," he said. "I sure don't want to hand it on in writing to the opposing defense," Brogan said at the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Proving Ground test site in Maryland.
'Damn!', said the disappointed reporters from the NYT.
The Pentagon said on Wednesday U.S. troops in Iraq would receive at least 1,000 fewer MRAPs this year than previously announced due to shipping constraints. It said defense contractors were expected to produce 3,900 MRAPs this year but only 1,500 would make it to the war zone &0151; down from a previous shipment target of 2,500 to 3,000.

Brogan said the military and its contractors were working as hard as possible to get MRAPs to Iraq. "We're going to get them there as quickly as we can," said Brogan, the head of Marine Corps Systems Command, which is in charge of procuring the vehicles for the military.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made MRAPs the Pentagon's top procurement priority. In June, he said scores of Americans would die for every month of delay in getting MRAPs into the field.

The U.S. death toll in Iraq since the 2003 invasion has reached 3,725. Of those, 1,593 troops were killed by an improvised explosive device, or IED, according to Web site icasualties.org, which tracks coalition deaths in Iraq.
Posted by:GolfBravoUSMC

#5  We may very well end up in a situation where we spent billions of dollars on these vehicles, yet are suffering higher losses.

So are you pontificating, merely pointing out the possible ramifications, wringing your hands, or making a subtle plea for immediate withdrawal?
Posted by: Pappy   2007-08-26 21:42  

#4  Forcing your enemy to react is a sign of success.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles   2007-08-26 18:28  

#3  These things do provide better protection against the current threat than HMMWVs. However, they have a number of drawbacks (e.g. taller and heavier, less visibility, less flexible, more fuel use thus more resupply convoys). Further, remember that the bad guys don't care about blowing up vehicles, they just want to score some kills. If these new trucks are successful in protecting soldiers aboard, then the other side will change tactics to find a way to get the soldiers out of them. We can already see evidence of that happening now. We may very well end up in a situation where we spent billions of dollars on these vehicles, yet are suffering higher losses.
Posted by: RAMMER   2007-08-26 15:05  

#2   NOLA's link in clickable form

(NOLA, it took me a while to figure out how to make links work here -- something about the quotation marks -- and even so I always preview posts with embedded links, and click on them to ensure I did it right, before submitting. Oh, and I'm glad you found us!)
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-08-26 06:06  

#1  You can see it next to a Humvee and watch a landmine demo of this beast here:
http://www.forceprotection.net/news/video.html?video=cougar

It's pretty amazing, just hope they can make enough of them. One of the soldiers that testified about the need for them, ended up dying in an explosion on the ground cause he was in a Humvee.
Posted by: NOLA   2007-08-26 03:41  

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