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2024-08-14 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
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On the attitude towards 'surprises' in war
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Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
Russian military historian, Alexei Isaev, presents key moments during WWII as they relate to the four battles for Khar'kov, had there had been a Telegram communications program and an internet.
Realizing that this is an esoteric subject for those not familiar with this particular piece of real estate during WWII, so it should be noted that the Soviets only won the last battle of Khar'kov, the one directly after Kursk in July, 1943.
[ColonelCassad] IF THE USSR HAD TELEGRAM IN MARCH 1943.
Tagged "sarcasm". With comments on the real state of affairs and references.
"The retreat near Kharkov showed the rottenness of Stalin's regime. Didn't the bitter experience of 1942 teach us anything? Why the same mistakes again? So we'll lose Kharkov too."
Commentary (reference): the situation in March 1943 was fundamentally different from 1942 both in terms of resources and the general situation; in 1943, they caught the weak spot of the advancing group. Yes, they lost Kharkov.
"Chief of the General Staff Vasilevsky is to blame for everything. By the way, why doesn't he show up in Moscow? Some Antonov is here instead of him."
Commentary (reference): A.M. Vasilevsky, who held the position of Chief of the General Staff, was a representative of the Headquarters, and yes, near Kharkov.
Vasilievsky was only the third Russian chief of General Staff during WWII, after Marshal Boris Shaposhnikov, who quit because of illness, and Marshal Georgi Zhukov, who was fired.
"The front lines report that the enemy has acquired some heavy Tigers. Was it really impossible to understand that the enemy would not sit idly by and create new tanks? How long will it take to find countermeasures? A month? Two?"
Comment (reference): "Tigers", yes, staged a noisy benefit performance near Kharkov, trampled an anti-tank brigade, an antidote was invented only after Kursk, and in reality later, when they launched the IS-s (first use of Korsun) and T-34-85 (first use at the front in April 1944).
"Our tanks are being shot at from the air! Dozens of vehicles are burning! Like at a proving ground. European factories provided aircraft cannons with tungsten shells despite the red lines for tungsten suppliers and the complete blockade of the continent, outrageous! Where did the Third Reich get tungsten? Why don't we have such weapons? Why don't tanks have large-caliber machine guns?"
Comment (reference): near Kharkov in March 1943, the Germans used anti-tank Ju-87Gs with 37-mm guns with sub-caliber shells, our guys picked up the ejected misfired shot and were able to study it. The tap with tungsten was really not screwed on right away. The number of such planes, however, was small.
Well, how the hypothetical telegram-USSR of 1943 would bomb in June 1943 from Luftwaffe raids on the Volga region with strikes on GAZ and the aircraft factory in Saratov, you can already imagine for yourself.
In the background, the clowns of the "Security-Third Section" are sadly jumping from Magdeburg.
The question is not in the fairness/injustice of reproaches, but in the attitude to events. Armed conflict is always surprises.
(c) Alexey Isaev
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