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2023-11-11 Olde Tyme Religion

Vatican approves transgender people receiving baptism, becoming godparents

[FOX] The Vatican released a document Wednesday affirming that individuals suffering from gender-identity disorders are allowed to be baptized or be named as godparents under specific circumstances.

The document is an official response to a dubia submitted by Brazilian Bishop Giuseppe Negri of Santo Amaro seeking guidance on the issue. It was propagated by the Vatican's Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith and signed by Pope Francis.

However, in a somewhat ambiguous clarification, the guidance specifies that in order for individuals with gender-identity afflictions to be baptized, it must not cause "scandal" or "disorientation."

This same stipulation applied to their eligibility to act as godparents or witness marriages, according to the Vatican.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-11 00:38|| || Front Page|| [11144 views ] Top

#1 Shocking? No, not really.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-11-11 01:01|| 2023-11-11 01:01|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't understand why this was not already allowed, they are humans beings.

Posted by Spomonter Speaking for Boskone8031 2023-11-11 01:24|| 2023-11-11 01:24|| Front Page Top

#3 /\ Give it some additional thought Boskone. Perhaps an inconvenient truth will appear.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-11-11 01:29|| 2023-11-11 01:29|| Front Page Top

#4 If transgendered becomes a Catholic priest, will they (notice my adroit use of pronouns) molest girls or boys?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-11 01:39|| 2023-11-11 01:39|| Front Page Top

#5 A person created in gods image CHOOSES to pervert the image and can receive blessing. Sounds like the Advesary is winning on all fronts. TRUE Catholics really have a lot to think about on this one.

Posted by Jefe101 2023-11-11 02:32|| 2023-11-11 02:32|| Front Page Top

#6 /\ TRUE Catholics really have a lot to think about on this one.

Yes, and for quite a long time now. In my view, it's not the faith or the religion, it's the.... corrupt administration.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-11-11 08:10|| 2023-11-11 08:10|| Front Page Top

#7 ...they are humans beings.

No.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-11 08:12|| 2023-11-11 08:12|| Front Page Top

#8 i stopped giving credence to the RC church when, at age 11, i was asked to give my milk money to a visiting missionary,and i queried why dont you sell some of this (ornaments,cups) stuff and i was struck with a large stick.

Posted by irish rage boy 2023-11-11 09:10|| 2023-11-11 09:10|| Front Page Top

#9 This is the last gasps of the liberal priests. All the ones in seminary now are very conservative and orthodox.

Posted by Silentbrick 2023-11-11 09:45|| 2023-11-11 09:45|| Front Page Top

#10 ^ I'd say, "I'll believe it when I see it," but I'm not a customer, so I won't see it.

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-11-11 10:27|| 2023-11-11 10:27|| Front Page Top

#11 So a person with gender dysphoria is not an Human? Why not?

Posted by Spomonter Speaking for Boskone8031 2023-11-11 10:35|| 2023-11-11 10:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Its a hard no to your argument.

If anything, religion exemplifies, and denounces, an ideal behavior. Those religions existing today put forward those behaviors which allowed its followers to survive. Argue about those merits from different angles, but erase the code of conduct and the religion as represented no longer exists.

Even with the bending The Vatican has done, especially recently, I would still not qualify as an honest Catholic, any more than I would qualify as an honest Engineer or Girl Scout, and I'm fine with that. Why are you not?

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-11-11 10:57|| 2023-11-11 10:57|| Front Page Top

#13 From another side, what you are saying is that if anyone can be ----------, then everyone already is (that). From my religious beliefs, and I find that highly insulting.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-11-11 11:00|| 2023-11-11 11:00|| Front Page Top

#14 Further, an organization which continually breaks its own rules, becomes an excuse for unchecked behavior.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-11-11 11:05|| 2023-11-11 11:05|| Front Page Top

#15 The Brothers Karamazov
Novel by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Nailed the Vatican

Posted by 3dc 2023-11-11 11:19|| 2023-11-11 11:19|| Front Page Top

#16 #11 So a person with gender dysphoria is not an Human? Why not?
Posted by Spomonter Speaking for Boskone8031

They imagine they're something they're not. Why can't I do the same?

Posted by Frank G 2023-11-11 11:29|| 2023-11-11 11:29|| Front Page Top

#17 They imagine they're something they're not.

Why am I thinking "Rachel Dolezal"?

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-11-11 11:34|| 2023-11-11 11:34|| Front Page Top

#18 If biological males think they are females, that's their problem.
If they want to force me to deny biology, that's a different story.

Baptizing certainly isn't the problem. A godparent with a huge psychological problem might be.

Posted by European Conservative 2023-11-11 11:49|| 2023-11-11 11:49|| Front Page Top

#19 Better watch out Yer Holiness

Posted by Mercutio 2023-11-11 13:06|| 2023-11-11 13:06|| Front Page Top

#20 Catholics deserve a pope that believes in the Catholic Church, much like Americans deserve leaders who believe in the United States.

Posted by Crusader 2023-11-11 13:16|| 2023-11-11 13:16|| Front Page Top

#21 Truth hurts.

Pope Francis fires outspoken Texas Bishop Joseph Strickland who called Joe Biden a 'fake Catholic' and accused the Vatican of 'blasphemies'

Posted by Skidmark 2023-11-11 13:57|| 2023-11-11 13:57|| Front Page Top

#22 Beat me to it Skid. Once the old guard libs in the church are gone, it'll be very different

Posted by Silentbrick 2023-11-11 14:56|| 2023-11-11 14:56|| Front Page Top

#23 Here's the problem for all the conservative/ traditional Catholics: You DO believe that the Pope is the visible head of the church and that the magisterium (teaching authority) of the church resides in him. So you HAVE to follow his teaching.

If you can't do that, you are a Protestant. Welcome to the party.

Posted by Tom 2023-11-11 18:49|| 2023-11-11 18:49|| Front Page Top

#24 Well, you take on a name.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-11-11 22:10|| 2023-11-11 22:10|| Front Page Top

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