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2023-06-22 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
OceanGate Roundup: Fired pilot of OceanGate submersibles warned of their danger -- UPDATED x 2
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
[Regnum] OceanGate pilot David Lochridge was fired after he warned the company about the dangers of using Titan submersibles. This was reported by the NBC news channel, citing court documents.

According to him, five years ago, the pilot repeatedly informed the management that the shell of the Titan submersibles had not been sufficiently tested to make sure that this device could safely descend to a depth of 4,000 meters.

It is noted that the pilot was fired after he told management that the company would endanger customers. Lochridge also stated that OceanGate refused to pay extra for a viewing window that could be safely used at a depth of 4,000 meters.

As reported by IA Regnum , on June 18, communication with the OceanGate Expedition device, designed to deliver tourists to the site of the Titanic wreck, was lost. Searches off the coast of Newfoundland are underway with the participation of two aircraft from the United States and Canada. There are five people on board the bathyscaphe. According to Sky News, OceanGate Expeditions president and founder Stockton Rush , French aquanaut Paul-Henri Narjolet , British billionaire Hamish Harding, as well as 48-year-old Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleiman , all living in the UK, went on the expedition.

Rescuers searching for the missing Titan submersible heard "acoustic feedback". According to rescuers, the additional acoustic feedback will help coordinate and guide equipment on the surface, and it is also hoped that the crew and passengers remain hopeful of an early release. It is noted that the sounds were similar to knocking.

According to data as of June 20, the air on the Titan bathyscaphe that disappeared in the Atlantic Ocean remained for 40 hours.

More from regum.ru
NBC: missing bathyscaphe in the Atlantic back in 2020 showed signs of 'cyclical fatigue'

The hull of the Titan bathyscaphe, which disappeared on June 18 in the Atlantic Ocean, which descended to the sunken Titanic liner, had signs of cyclic fatigue back in 2020. This was reported by NBC, citing information from OceanGate founder Stockton Rush three years ago.

The hull of the underwater vehicle, due to "fatigue", was able to dive to a depth of only 3 km. The wreckage of the Titanic lies at a depth of 3.8 km.

Despite this, in 2021 OceanGate announced an excursion to the Titanic, which was carried out on the Titan. The company's website says that the Titan can dive to a depth of four thousand meters.

As reported by IA Regnum , communication with the bathyscaphe disappeared on June 18. Searches off the coast of Newfoundland are underway with the participation of two aircraft from the United States and Canada.

There are five people on board the bathyscaphe. The expedition was attended by President and Founder of OceanGate Expeditions Stockton Rush, French aquanaut Paul-Henri Narjolet, British billionaire Hamish Harding, as well as 48-year-old Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleiman, who live in the UK.

Air on the "Titan" was left for 40 hours. If the device is not damaged and is still functioning, then the air will end at approximately 13:30 Moscow time on June 22.

One of the expedition members got in touch on June 20. Irish explorer Rory Golden said that everything was fine with him, he was on board the ship from which the bathyscaphe was lowered.

Yet more from regnum.ru
Russian admirals told how to get a bathyscaphe from the bottom of the Atlantic

You can get the bathyscaphe, which could presumably get stuck in the wreckage of the Titanic that sank at the beginning of the 20th century, from a depth of 3.8 km if you can find it and take it in tow. The former commander of the Northern Fleet, Admiral Vyacheslav Popov , and the former commander of the Baltic Fleet, Admiral Vladimir Valuev , spoke about ways to help RIA Novosti .

According to Vyacheslav Popov, there are technologies for raising the apparatus from the bottom of the ocean.

“Difficult, but possible, even from this depth. If there is this bathyscaphe, there are others - rescue ones that can be used. If they are found, then I am convinced that there are opportunities to raise them , ”the admiral assured.

Admiral Vladimir Valuev also supported his colleague.

“There are deep-sea submersibles, the main thing is to find the Titan, and then it’s a matter of technology. It is almost impossible to reload at such a depth; no one else has such technology. Just somehow unhook, tow and lift , ”explained the ex-commander of the Baltic fleet.

Valuev remembered the successful rescue operation in August 2005 in Kamchatka. Then the incident occurred on the submersible for search and rescue operations AS-28. Bathyscaphe, on which there were seven people, could not rise to the surface. At a depth of 190 meters, the device became entangled in fishing nets and cables of the coastal infrastructure of the Pacific Fleet.

After unsuccessful attempts to tow the submersible to a depth where divers could be used, the Russian rescue ship KIL-27 arrived at the scene with British rescuers. A video link was established with the crew and within eight hours they managed to free the device.

In addition, the admiral assured that the crew of the Titan could last up to 150 hours instead of 96 if they save oxygen.

As IA Regnum reported , the hull of the Titan submersible that disappeared on June 18 in the Atlantic Ocean, which was descending to the sunken Titanic liner, had signs of cyclic fatigue back in 2020 . This was reported by NBC, citing information from OceanGate founder Stockton Rush three years ago .

There are five people in the bathyscaphe: President and founder of OceanGate Expeditions Stockton Rush, French aquanaut Paul-Henri Narjolet , British billionaire Hamish Harding, and 48-year-old Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleiman , who live in the UK.

Air on the "Titan" was left for 40 hours . If the device is not damaged and is still functioning, then the air will end at approximately 13:30 Moscow time on June 22.

One of the expedition members got in touch on June 20 . Irish explorer Rory Golden said that everything was fine with him, he was on board the ship from which the bathyscaphe was lowered.

Yet again, more from regnum.ru
Captain I rank Cherkashin said that it was almost impossible to save the passengers of the missing submersible

The situation of the passengers of the submersible "Titan", which was heading for the "Titanic" and disappeared, looks almost hopeless, and most likely it will not be possible to save them. On June 21, Nikolay Cherkashin , a historian of the submarine fleet, a captain of the 1st rank, an officer of the submarine fleet, stated this to a correspondent of IA Regnum on June 21.

According to him, no one could be rescued from such depths. The necessary evacuation systems are not provided, and therefore we can say that the passengers of this bathyscaphe are doomed.

Nevertheless, if the bathyscaphe is stuck among some of the wreckage of the Titanic, then, as Cherkashin believes, there is theoretically a way to influence this situation. If you know the exact location of the bathyscaphe, then you can arrange a directed underwater explosion that could shake off the wreckage of the ship and help the bathyscaphe free itself from the trap in which it can be assumed to have fallen.

“I remember the story of the submarine commander, Vice Admiral Shchedrin . He said that in 1942, his submarine, leaving the Panama Canal, got stuck between the pipes of a sunken ship. And they, too, found themselves in a hopeless situation at first. But they began to rock the submarine, running from side to side. Then there was a roar, the pipe fell, and they surfaced,” said Cherkashin.

In addition, he recalled an incident in 1981, when Russian aquanauts, diving on the Tethys bathyscaphe in the Crimea region, also got stuck. Their small apparatus fell under an underwater cable. And when their air was almost dry, a cable ship approached the scene, which lifted the cable, and the Tethys surfaced. But then it was about a little depth.

“And here four kilometers. And there is no chance of salvation,” Cherkashin stated.

The expert also doubted that it was possible to carry out a rescue operation by using another bathyscaphe that could pull out his stuck brother.

According to him, firstly, in order to perform such an operation, a second similar bathyscaphe is needed, and as far as one can judge, there are only three of them. But none of them have manipulators - mechanical hands that could perform some kind of action. Attaching a cable at such a depth is a very difficult operation. Requires training, special crew.

Cherkashin also spoke about the most common causes of accidents on underwater vehicles.

“The most terrible enemy of a submariner is not water or depth. This is electricity. There may be a short circuit. A fire at such a depth is different in that oxygen burns out instantly and there is absolutely nothing to breathe. Especially when you consider the small volumes of the bathyscaphe. But there is no information about what happened on board,” said Cherkashin.

Discussing the psychological situation on board the bathyscaphe, the interlocutor of IA Regnum recalled that the designer of this apparatus is on board, who is now sorting through all the options and looking for what his main mistake is, why they got into such a difficult situation.

“And everyone else… Of course, being on death row (and this is a death row!) is very difficult. Maybe someone lost consciousness because people are not young. Someone could seize the heart from a premonition of what might happen. The most terrible thing is that all of humanity, which is watching them, cannot help them. They went into such a jungle, to such a depth. They are almost on another planet," Cherkashin added.

Summing up what was said, he added that there is an element of some mysticism in what happened.

“You can't tempt fate. And they are testers of fate. Even the bathyscaphe was named “Titan” in memory of the “Titanic,” the submarine officer noted.

Earlier , IA Regnum reported that the Titan bathyscaphe could presumably get stuck in the wreckage of the Titanic that sank at the beginning of the 20th century at a depth of 3.8 km. Some experts believe that it can be saved by taking it in tow.

Meanwhile, Read also: the air on the "Titan" is less than 40 hours, while the search efforts of rescuers have not yet yielded results. There are five people on board the bathyscaphe. According to Sky News, the expedition included OceanGate Expeditions president and founder Stockton Rush , French aquanaut Paul-Henri Narjolet , British billionaire Hamish Harding , and 48-year-old Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleiman.

From the dzen.ru page of Russian military correspondent Akeksandr Kots
The action-packed drama with the submersible "Titan"

The action-packed drama with the submersible "Titan", lying for the third day at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean next to the wreckage of the "Titanic", aroused interest in small submarines in the information space. They are in the military and civil fleets of some states and solve a wide range of tasks: from rescue operations to scientific research and underwater sabotage. Since Soviet times, bathyscaphes have also been actively used by Russia.

Here are five facts about our ultra-small submersible.

✔️ Bathyscaphes have been in trouble in the world's oceans before. So on July 21, 1980, the Soviet apparatus Argus, during its 105th dive in the Black Sea, caught on an underwater cable at a depth of 340 meters. The rescue operation lasted more than a day. The life support system proved to be at the highest level: three scientists spent 44 hours and 25 minutes in the bathyscaphe, and thermal protection did not allow the internal temperature to fall below 17 degrees.

✔️ Two Soviet bathyscaphes "Mir-1" and "Mir-2" became known to the whole world after participating in the filming of James Cameron's blockbuster "Titanic". Their film career did not end there. "Worlds" was featured in the documentaries "Ghosts of the Abyss", "The Bismarck Expedition" and "The Last Mysteries of the Titanic", as well as in the sci-fi "Aliens from the Abyss". An immersion depth of six thousand meters made it possible to observe objects from these bathyscaphes on 98.5 percent of the bottom of the oceans, so they were often used to survey and survey sunken ships and submarines.

✔️ In 1990, the flagship of the Soviet and Russian underwater shipbuilding, Sevmash, built the first domestic underwater vehicle designed for tourist diving. It was named "Neptune" and was intended for excursions in previously surveyed areas where the depth of the water area does not exceed 40 meters. Passenger capacity - 35 people. However, due to the identified design flaws, the boat did not go into series. Currently, its improved version, Sadko, is being operated in Greece.

✔️ To date, the deepest Russian manned submersible is the Consul bathyscaphe, which was accepted into the Navy in 2011. The maximum depth of its immersion is 6270 meters. The device is designed for classifying and filming objects on the seabed, performing technical work using a manipulator, delivering to the ground or lifting objects weighing up to 200 kilograms to the surface. NATO intelligence considers Consul a threat and claims that it can be used to destroy transatlantic submarine communications.

✔️The most modern rescue submersible in the Russian Navy is the deep-sea rescue vehicle AS-40 of project 18271 Bester-1, which became part of the Pacific Fleet in 2016. It has a strong titanium alloy hull and a total submerged displacement of about 60 tons. The working depth of immersion is 700 meters. At one time, "Bester" can lift 22 people to the surface from a sunken submarine. Most importantly, the rotary suction chamber allows you to perform a rescue operation when the emergency submarine is listing up to 45 degrees.

From the Facebook page of Jøn Martinez
Translated from Spanish/Mexican

There's no space in my brain to understand what's happening

There's no space in my brain to understand what's happening with the OcenGate submarine called Titan, I bring you a summary because I already read 845 articles, and I became a little obsessed with the story.

Experience to be part of this death trap costs a modest amount of $250,000 PER PERSON. The submarine traveled five people, including its creator Stockton Rush. The goal of this trip is to descend 3,800 feet deep to admire the rusty irons that were once part of the famous Titanic structure. There is no other submarine in the world that can reach that depth, and there is no other OceanGate submarine either.

On Sunday after 1hr 45 min having started the journey, lost communication completely and until today Wednesday, they are not heard from them even though the rescue operation was started immediately after losing contact with Stockton Rush.

If they survive, these are the questions I'd ask the crew and the creator:

- The submarine was controlled with a Logitech controller for video games, PS controller type. (second red flag)

- There was no regulatory authority to verify and approve the safety of the submarine, and when one person brought this issue to court, they fired him.

- Who the fuck pays $250,000 to see through the screen of the submarine, a ship that sank in 1912? Omg put a documentary on YouTube and you’ll see the exact same thing.

- Why didn't the submarine have GPS? The AirTag costs 35 euros, couldn't it have been included in the price?

If they are alive right now, they must be in the dark, with little oxygen, surrounded by foul smells, vomiting, urine, etc. Some must be fainting, delirious and listening to the squeals of when the submarine moves and hits other objects. The submarine has no standing space, so they must be having muscle aches, breathing problems. Some must be blaming the creator, maybe they attacked him already. In a nutshell, they must be living torture.

Only some millionaires pay this much to die this way.

Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 00:00|| || Front Page|| [18 views ]  Top

#1 
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 01:16||   2023-06-22 01:16|| Front Page Top

#2 "Psst, comrades, do not mention Kursk!"
"Oh nyet you didn't!" [BANG]
Posted by Spinter Schwarzeneggar7343 2023-06-22 02:11||   2023-06-22 02:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Air "amount" is deceiving. CO2 accumulation will kill you if its partial pressure is high enough against oxygen/nitrogen content.

I wonder if they even have submarine/maritime grade CO2 scrubbers? Or, as some have said, were they just pumping more oxygen in to keep the O2 levels up because it is less weight and cheaper than filtering and scrubbing the air, and betting the short duration meant they didnt need to bother with the expense. Problem is that results in an enriched oxygen atmosphere to stay ahead of the CO2. Oxygen enrichment is problematic if you have a spark.

Plus there was only one hatch. And no way to open the only hatch except for the 17 external bolts that were cinched down tightly to seal the craft shut. Accessible only on the exterior. Essentially they were spam in a can.

Also, apparently there was no high pressure vent system and nor reserves to purge toxic gas or smoke in the case of electric fire.

Does nobody remember history? Any of those young engineers ever heard the names Roger Chaffee, Ed White and Gus Grissom? Apollo 1.

They couldn't purge their sealed capsule, and they burned to death while waiting on the pad engineers to undo the external bolts to open the only hatch to rescue them.

History is quite a harsh teacher to those who refuse to learn from it.

Posted by Sheba Thease8880 2023-06-22 02:45||   2023-06-22 02:45|| Front Page Top

#4 Another item evidently not found on the submersible.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-22 02:54||   2023-06-22 02:54|| Front Page Top

#5 Badanov
Good thorough research dig.
Posted by NN2N1 2023-06-22 05:41||   2023-06-22 05:41|| Front Page Top

#6 A Boris-A or Yasen-M class submarine bobbing to the surface in the Atlantic with OceanGate sitting on it's deck and the crew waving from the bridge, would be a real pant leg filler.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-22 08:47||   2023-06-22 08:47|| Front Page Top

#7 
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 09:37||   2023-06-22 09:37|| Front Page Top

#8 OceanGate refused to pay extra for a viewing window that could be safely used at a depth of 4,000 meters.

So basically you could just watch a monitor from the safety of the surface and get the same feedback.
Posted by Frank G 2023-06-22 09:44||   2023-06-22 09:44|| Front Page Top

#9 
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 09:46||   2023-06-22 09:46|| Front Page Top

#10 /\ "Watch a monitor"

What? No media coverage? No fotos for home or office 'hurray for me' room? No colorful jacket patches or caps?
Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-22 09:57||   2023-06-22 09:57|| Front Page Top

#11 My G X52 has done fine over the years.

But controllers. MSI, or don't go home.

"Where are you putting the window?'
"Window? Zer iz no window."
"No window? You know what make this bird go up? Funding makes this bird go up."
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-06-22 10:11||   2023-06-22 10:11|| Front Page Top

#12 
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 10:12||   2023-06-22 10:12|| Front Page Top

#13 The weight of a cable that long has to be a consideration as well.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-06-22 11:01||   2023-06-22 11:01|| Front Page Top

#14 
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 11:13||   2023-06-22 11:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Debris field found by search robot.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2023-06-22 12:11||   2023-06-22 12:11|| Front Page Top

#16 A far kinder end than 96 hours freezing in darkness as you deal with suffocating and panic.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-22 12:40||   2023-06-22 12:40|| Front Page Top

#17 Link to the debris field

The US Coast Guard says a debris field has been found near the Titanic during search for submersible
Posted by DarthVader 2023-06-22 13:17||   2023-06-22 13:17|| Front Page Top

#18 Hull was carbon fiber composite, can you say rapid de-lamination! Also from experience with high power rockets this means confetti!. Composite materials are really strong until they aren't!
Posted by Vinegar Spolusing6485 2023-06-22 14:39||   2023-06-22 14:39|| Front Page Top

#19 Spin up the congressional committees to "do something."
Posted by M. Murcek  2023-06-22 14:42||   2023-06-22 14:42|| Front Page Top

#20 I find the story of Maria Strydom, the vegan who died climbing Everest, much more compelling.

She died doing what she loved: lecturing the rest of us about veganism.
Posted by Regular joe 2023-06-22 14:53||   2023-06-22 14:53|| Front Page Top

#21 The finding of the debris field that may be the remains of the OceanGate gives me hope that it suffered a sudden catastrophic hull failure. At the depth where they were probably at, it would mean an almost instantaneous death, rather than one spread out over days.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2023-06-22 15:06||   2023-06-22 15:06|| Front Page Top

#22 The pilot and 4 passengers of the Titan submersible are dead, US Coast Guard says
Posted by DarthVader 2023-06-22 15:27||   2023-06-22 15:27|| Front Page Top

#23 Was the Darwin award worth it?
Posted by AlanC 2023-06-22 16:51||   2023-06-22 16:51|| Front Page Top

#24 Fox reporting the USN picked up sounds of an implosion on day 1.so just who the hell kept up the wild goose chase, spending dollars, burning up equipment and risking only God knows how many lives for what? They were dead on day 1, they were dead on day 5, and are gonna be dead for a long time. Just dumb luck none of the many rescue vehicles crashed or sunk.
Just who ok’ed that circlejerk???
Posted by USN, Ret. 2023-06-22 19:34||   2023-06-22 19:34|| Front Page Top

#25 USN, they may have heard an implosion, but not necessarily connected it with the OceanSpace vessel. Or they may not have had an exact location of the implosion.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2023-06-22 19:47||   2023-06-22 19:47|| Front Page Top

#26 As I understand it hydrophone returns are never purely linear, and defend on the location of the detecting device with relation to the detected sound.
Posted by badanov 2023-06-22 20:11||   2023-06-22 20:11|| Front Page Top

#27 Shades of SOSUS....
Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-22 20:41||   2023-06-22 20:41|| Front Page Top

#28 Re: SOSUS; story indicates sound consistent with location, and SOSUS operators pretty sharp. Read the alternate theory about loss of Thresher, tapes revealed high pressure air system problems, 42 yrs of experience operator tried to disprove rickovers issue. Tapes still classified.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2023-06-22 21:07||   2023-06-22 21:07|| Front Page Top

#29 At that depth given the pressure, the wavefront of the implosion would be about 2000m/s. The thing was at most 3m wide, imploding from all sides means it only has to cover 1.5m. That’s less than a millisecond. Blink of an eye takes 300 ms. At least death was pretty much instantaneous.
Posted by Bill Scourge of the Ostrogoths9574 2023-06-22 21:42||   2023-06-22 21:42|| Front Page Top

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