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2023-03-24 Olde Tyme Religion
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson And ‘Exodus' Panel Discuss ‘An Eye For An Eye' And Establishing Moral Order In New Episode
[Wire] Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and his panel of seven renowned scholars explore the purpose and importance of God’s laws, the meaning and limits of an "eye for an eye," and what saying "no" really means in the newest episode of "Exodus," streaming now on DailyWire+.

Peterson and company continue through their study and discussion of Exodus, the second book of the Bible and Torah, with this episode focusing on chapters 21 through 24. In the episode, they explore the significance of God’s laws in those chapters and how they establish moral order.

The panel discusses Exodus 21:23-24, which reads, "And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." Dennis Prager, co-founder of PragerU, says that these verses are a "massive statement" in history, and he brings the topic of the nature of human evil to the conversation.

"I think it depends, to some degree, on the canniness of the interlocutor," Peterson said of human evil. "I would say that if you’re going to entice someone malevolent back onto the path of proper being, you have to be as canny in your good as they are in their evil. That’s an echo of the notion that you should be as wise as a serpent, as harmless as a dove."

"I don’t know what the limit to that is, because I’ve seen people in extreme situations walk the path so precisely that they could entice even someone hell-bent on malevolence out of that insistence," Peterson continued.

Another topic Peterson and his panel discussed centered around the philosophy of punishment, what saying "no" means, and the consequences of doing something you were told not to, contributing to a broader conversation on moral order.

"’No’ in the final analysis means if you do that, something you do not like will certainly happen to you," Peterson said. "If that isn’t the promise behind your words when you say no, there’s no promise there at all."

In the episode, Peterson is joined by social critic Os Guinness, Cambridge assistant professor James Orr, president of Ralston College Stephen Blackwood, president of Hillsdale College Larry Arnn, Christian thinker Jonathan Pageau, Dennis Prager, and Douglas Hedley, professor of philosophy of religion at Cambridge University. Select future episodes will include Daily Wire co-founder Ben Shapiro.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-03-24 05:16|| || Front Page|| [11 views ]  Top

#1 What is the 'Nullo' castration cult? Inside horrifying world of 'genital nullification' that was inspired by Japanese artist who cut off his own penis and testicles and served them to the highest bidder
Posted by Skidmark 2023-03-24 07:07||   2023-03-24 07:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Call it auto-eugenics.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-03-24 07:16||   2023-03-24 07:16|| Front Page Top

#3 didnt Jordan Petersen get " reprogrammed" by the Canukistan communists?
Posted by 746 2023-03-24 09:10||   2023-03-24 09:10|| Front Page Top

#4 whatever the 'eye for an eye' meant the first time it was promulgated

- there are no examples in the Bible of a literal eye for an eye punishment

- by the time of the early compilation of oral law, the phrase was considered to require monetary compensation -- and the way it is written there, implies that this was the interpretation for many years before that - Mishnah Tractate Bava Kamma
Posted by lord garth 2023-03-24 10:52||   2023-03-24 10:52|| Front Page Top

#5 didnt Jordan Petersen get " reprogrammed" by the Canukistan communists?

I believe they insisted he report for re-education, but he told them to fook off or however you say that in Canadian.
Posted by SteveS 2023-03-24 11:00||   2023-03-24 11:00|| Front Page Top

#6 there are no examples in the Bible of a literal eye for an eye punishment

Matthew 5:29-30 King James Version

"29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."
Posted by Skidmark 2023-03-24 12:18||   2023-03-24 12:18|| Front Page Top

#7 That’s the New Testament, Skidmark, and is a future conditional rather than a report of the Hebrew/Judaen justice system in action.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-03-24 13:57||   2023-03-24 13:57|| Front Page Top

#8  “If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to return it. If you see the donkey of someone who hates you fallen down under its load, do not leave it there; be sure you help them with it.” Exodus 23:4-5

The idea of loving your enemy was present in the Christian version of the Old Testament.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-03-24 14:43||   2023-03-24 14:43|| Front Page Top

#9 Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. Leviticus 24: 19-21

The Old Testament verse referenced in Matthew seems to be a message of restraint rather than a call for vengeance. Again it is The Christian version of the Old Testament.
Posted by Super Hose 2023-03-24 14:47||   2023-03-24 14:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Not exactly on topic , but close, here is what A. E. Housman wrote:

If it chance your eye offend you,
Pluck it out, lad, and be sound:
'Twill hurt, but here are salves to friend you,
And many a balsam grows on ground.

And if your hand or foot offend you,
Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
When your sickness is your soul.
Posted by Canuckistan sniper 2023-03-24 19:20||   2023-03-24 19:20|| Front Page Top

#11 That’s the New Testament, Skidmark, and is a future conditional rather than a report of the Hebrew/Judaen justice system in action.

Umm No.
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2023-03-24 22:09||   2023-03-24 22:09|| Front Page Top

#12  “If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to return it. If you see the donkey of someone who hates you fallen down under its load, do not leave it there; be sure you help them with it.” Exodus 23:4-5

The idea of loving your enemy was present in the Christian version of the Old Testament.


The translation from the Hebrew is similar in my copy of the Torah, Jewish Publication Society 1962. It isn’t about love so much as treating fairly with all, regardless of personal feelings. Or tribal feelings, as enemies in that place and time were more in the vein of Ukraine vs Russia or Jets vs Sharks than Tommy vs Joey.

And Leviticus 24: 19-21 is rounded off by verse 22: “You shall have one standard for stranger and citizen alike: fot I the Lord am your God.”

The entire sequence revolves around a man whose mother was Israelite and whose father was Egyptian (Leviticus 24:10). This person got into a fight with a full Israelits, and the half Israelite blasphemed using God’s name. So he was arrested and brought to judgement before Moses, who passed on God’s judgement that the half-Israelite was to be treated under the law the same as a full Israelite, as was the stranger in the camp. It is in that context that eye for an eye, etc. is stated, and it is in that same context of equality before the law is stated clearly in verse 22.

A new idea under the sun, whether during the Bronze Age, during the time of Jesus, and in this time when Progressives attempt to hold on to power without pity for those who believe themselves free men: that citizens and non-citizens alike, rich and poor, priest and layman — all are subject to the same laws and the same punishments.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-03-24 22:11||   2023-03-24 22:11|| Front Page Top

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