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2022-12-03 Europe
Swiss look to ban use of electric cars over the winter to save energy
[HotAir] The European Union jumped on the electric vehicle craze well ahead of other parts of the world, particularly after the Paris climate accord. But in typical socialist fashion, they weren’t content with simply encouraging people to switch to EVs. Many European countries almost immediately started making plans to ban gas-powered cars and trucks and make EVs mandatory. Lots of Europeans wanted to get out ahead of the curve and began snapping the newer models up. But then came the start of the war in Ukraine, cutting energy supplies just as Europe was trying to wean itself off of fossil fuels. Now, in a rather embarrassing reversal, Switzerland is considering legislation that would ban people from driving electric vehicles except in urgent conditions over the winter because there simply might not be enough juice on the grid to recharge them.

So much the same as we saw in California earlier this year, the government pushed everyone to switch over to electric vehicles to save the planet. But now they’re warning them that they won’t be able to recharge their vehicles except for “urgent travel requirements.” The crazy part of all of this is that the major energy corporations have been warning everyone about this for several years. The power grid doesn’t produce endless electricity by magic. You have to produce enough energy to power it or it fails. But nobody wanted to listen.

To put this story in context, consider the fact that in June of this year, the EU proposed a ban on new gas-powered cars by 2035

From 2035, newly registered cars and light goods vehicles will no longer be allowed to emit greenhouse gases. The decision was approved on June 29 by the 27-member group. The ban on internal combustion engines voted by the European Parliament – which the EU member States still have to approve – effectively marks the end of petrol- and diesel-powered vehicles, as well as hybrids, which are currently experiencing a boom. In future, only new electric or hydrogen-powered models will be able to be sold.

2035 is only a little more than a decade away. If this proposal passes, Europe won’t even allow hybrids to be sold. Only fully electric vehicles or hydrogen-powered ones. Good luck finding a hydrogen recharging station, by the way. And unless they get their energy grid back under control, there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to drive your car anywhere.
Posted by Skidmark 2022-12-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11139 views ]  Top

#1 0o0
Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2022-12-03 04:30||   2022-12-03 04:30|| Front Page Top

#2 DOING SOME MATH

According to reports, newer 2019 --> EV's Energy average demands are closer to 2 times the amount of an average household annual consumption. Not the once kicked around 10x's, as it was calculated in earlier years.

Either way, unless you are charging your EV at a free shopping center EV charging station.
The average U.S. household spends about $122 per month of average for household electricity.
Owning an EV would add about $2,928 a year, for less than the 300 miles received on a full charge.
Your electrical bill with a EV would be 3x's its previous amount.

Verses, a gas powered car @ $2.95 a gallon (current 87octane price my area) with a weekly fill up of 15 gallons of gas gets 300 to 350 mpg. Annual cost around $2,301. Which is about $627 less per year than EV power.

Now toss the $4,500 to $7,500 EV battery MTBF issue.
Since a many of battery manufacturers give a warranty on their batteries of around 100,000 kms (+- 62,000 miles).
But as Americans, we drive about 14,263 miles per year, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
That means the battery warranty end around 4.3 years (51+/- months) into ownership.

The typical new-car loan duration for people with Good credit scores is roughly 60 months.
So a EV owner's butt is on the hook for about 14 extra possible months more than most expensive car item lasts.

BTW: Where is the USA Electrical Grid producers going to find additional power generation to supply the estimated 52% of all vehicles being EV by 2030?

Using 52% of the estimated 276 Million cars (2019) now in the US. Would mean they need to add/ build 300% more Power production.

So I ask again.
How is the EV industry going to save the environment and save us $$$$?
Posted by NN2N1 2022-12-03 07:40||   2022-12-03 07:40|| Front Page Top

#3 Hopefully, impacted folks have a ride mower they can use for grocery shopping.
Posted by Super Hose 2022-12-03 08:27||   2022-12-03 08:27|| Front Page Top

#4 What about decreased EV range during extreme cold?
Posted by Frank G 2022-12-03 08:34||   2022-12-03 08:34|| Front Page Top

#5 California has banned all ic powered outdoor equipment, so that electric rider mower wont do much good. If any ‘Burgers were considering an electric mower, my friend runs a small engine shop and is swamped with electric units needing repairs. Mainly bad batteries and charging systems. Service from the OEMs for parts/tech data is sad.
Posted by ^ 2022-12-03 08:38||   2022-12-03 08:38|| Front Page Top

#6 ^ I have a friend who loves his electric lawn mower because his wife can no longer use the excuse "It won't start" when he sends her out to cut the grass.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-12-03 09:15||   2022-12-03 09:15|| Front Page Top

#7 So the ban IC for EV didn't even make it into the first Winter.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-12-03 10:57||   2022-12-03 10:57|| Front Page Top

#8 I believe steam powered cars will make a comeback.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-12-03 11:14||   2022-12-03 11:14|| Front Page Top

#9  />
Posted by Dron66046 2022-12-03 11:33||   2022-12-03 11:33|| Front Page Top

#10 It's all playing out in front of our eyes, and because those of us who would do something are past the age of that, well...
Posted by Rex Mundi 2022-12-03 11:36||   2022-12-03 11:36|| Front Page Top

#11 
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-12-03 11:50||   2022-12-03 11:50|| Front Page Top

#12 BTW: Where is the USA Electrical Grid producers going to find additional power generation to supply the estimated 52% of all vehicles being EV by 2030?

Simple - burn more coal! (Wish I could put a /sarc on that).

BTW: Saving the environment was *never* their intention. As you know.
Posted by CrazyFool 2022-12-03 12:00||   2022-12-03 12:00|| Front Page Top

#13 Not enough rare earth minerals on all of Earth to replace all IC vehicles on the road now. Sort of like taxing rich people at 100%, it would only solve the problem for 6 months and then where are you?
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-12-03 12:02||   2022-12-03 12:02|| Front Page Top

#14  I believe steam powered cars will make a comeback.

Posted by Skidmark 2022-12-03 12:08||   2022-12-03 12:08|| Front Page Top

#15 BTW: Where is the USA Electrical Grid producers going to find additional power generation to supply the estimated 52% of all vehicles being EV by 2030?

Generac RG06024A Protector Series Aluminum 60kW 3600RPM (Not for sale in CA/MA) Standby Generator


It's not outdoor if it's in your basement.
Posted by Skidmark 2022-12-03 12:14||   2022-12-03 12:14|| Front Page Top

#16 "Are you hiding electricity under the floor, Komrade?"
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-12-03 12:51||   2022-12-03 12:51|| Front Page Top

#17 Same size as my radon powered basement unit. Recharges at night so the neighbors don't complain about the green glowing mist.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-12-03 13:06||   2022-12-03 13:06|| Front Page Top

#18 SUCKERS!
Posted by Too Old To Work 2022-12-03 14:23||   2022-12-03 14:23|| Front Page Top

#19 We point and laugh, but the fallacy is thinking that vehicles will be available to everyone, like they are now.

The grid doesn't have to be upgraded, if there are so few EV available that only 'certain types' will be able to afford them.

Saving the world and all that are, if you will, trappings.
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-12-03 21:00||   2022-12-03 21:00|| Front Page Top

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