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2022-09-23 -Great Cultural Revolution
Rashida Tlaib says progressives can’t be pro-Israel, drawing fire from own party
[israelTimes] Democratic Congress members and Anti-Defamation league censure Michigan politician for saying ’you cannot claim to hold progressive values yet back Israel’s apartheid’.

It’s an argument that has percolated for years and now members of Congress are duking it out: What fits better into the "progressive" portmanteau, supporting or opposing Israel?

US House Representative Rashida Tlaib, a Michigan Democrat who is Paleostinian-American and the only member of Congress who opposes Israel’s self-definition as a Jewish state, said Tuesday that there was no room in the progressive movement for supporters of what she called Israel’s "apartheid" government.

"I want you all to know that among progressives, it’s become clear that you cannot claim to hold progressive values, yet back Israel’s apartheid government, and we will continue to push back and not accept that you are progressive except for Paleostine," Tlaib said in an online forum organized by American Moslems for Paleostine.

"Progressive except for Paleostine," has for years been a critique that pro-Paleostinian progressives have aimed at pro-Israel progressives, and support for Paleostinians and criticism of Israel have increased among progressives in recent years, although a substantial number in Congress members remain aligned with the mainstream pro-Israel community.

Jonathan Greenblatt, the Anti-Defamation League CEO, posted the video of Tlaib speaking and tweeted, "In one sentence, [Tlaib] simultaneously tells American Jews that they need to pass an anti-Zionist litmus test to participate in progressive spaces even as she doubles down on her antisemitism by slandering Israel as an apartheid state."

Tlaib is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and at least two of her fellow members said they found her challenge offensive.

"I fundamentally reject the notion that one cannot support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state and be a progressive," said New York Democrat Jerry Fester Bestertester Nadler
...the Dem New York representative-for-life who stepped whole from a Don Martin drawing in the pages of Mad® magazine, head of the House Judiciary Committee...
, who is Jewish.

Ritchie Torres, also of New York, who is gay and has extolled the protection of LGBTQ rights in Israel, took aim at some of Tlaib’s other stances.

"There’s nothing progressive about advocating for the end of Israel as a Jewish State," he said. "Nothing progressive about opposing the Abraham Accords, which promotes peace. Nothing progressive about opposing Iron Dome, which protects civilians from indiscriminate rocket fire."

There were a number of other members of the caucus on the online forum, including Marie Newman of Illinois, Andre Carson of Indiana and Judy Chu of Caliphornia, an impregnable bastion of the Democratic Party,.

Also commenting was Representative Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
...Congresswoman from Florida, the abrasive chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. She has been a politician since 1992, and prior to that was in training as a political science major. Her primary accomplishment seems to be that she's Jewish...
 of Florida, who is not in the progressive caucus but is one of the leading Jewish Democratic members of Congress.
Mayo-haired hatchet-faced mumble-moufed scrunt
"The outrageous progressive litmus test on Israel by [Tlaib] is nothing short of antisemitic," Wasserman Schultz said. "Proud progressives do support Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish and democratic state. Suggesting otherwise is shameful and dangerous. Divisive rhetoric does not lead to peace."

Representative Ted Deutch, another Jewish Florida Democrat who is retiring to head the American Jewish Committee, said support for Israel was itself a progressive value.

"There are progressive activist muppets, progressive students, and progressive Members of Congress whose support of democratic Israel is fundamentally a part of their progressive values," he said. "They all belong at the table. We will not be silenced."

Jared Moskowitz, the Jewish Democratic nominee to replace Deutch, inverted Tlaib’s words to criticize her.

"I want you all to know that among #progressives, it becomes clear that you cannot claim to hold progressive values if you are an antisemite," he said.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-09-23 01:23|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 Tlaib is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and at least two of her fellow members said they found her challenge offensive.

That's because she is an offensive, hate filled anti-semetic. Please, let's just call it what the fok it is shall we ?

Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-23 02:44||   2022-09-23 02:44|| Front Page Top

#2 

Palestinian poster girl?
Posted by DooDahMan 2022-09-23 03:01||   2022-09-23 03:01|| Front Page Top

#3 Well, it's true. Either you oppose apartheid, or you're for apartheid.

I've noticed in a lot of comment sections, it's becoming increasingly clear that Israel is in the wrong here. They keep shouting anti-Semitism but it just isn't sticking. Israel has gotten away with apartheid for a long time, and it's worked for them, but that's what happened to South Africa, too. Eventually the world woke up to this great wrong and started to take action. That's what's happening here.
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 06:31||   2022-09-23 06:31|| Front Page Top

#4 ^ Apartheid? Fuck right off, Anonymous troll. Even the Arabs have gotten past your hate, siding with The Juice over Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, and other hate-filled losers
Posted by Frank G 2022-09-23 06:43||   2022-09-23 06:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Apartheid ?

Martha's 'Wingerd.' Now you know two words in Afrikaans.



Posted by Besoeker 2022-09-23 07:16||   2022-09-23 07:16|| Front Page Top

#6 And the fallacies of the democrat party are getting the light.
Posted by 49 Pan 2022-09-23 09:05||   2022-09-23 09:05|| Front Page Top

#7 In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.

That's literally apartheid.

See, that's making the wrong argument. The real argument, used by actual Israelis, is that apartheid is not only necessary but a just punishment. Tell you what, if California started enacting the same policies, would you protest? How about that race-segregated dorm where whites aren't allowed in?
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 10:08||   2022-09-23 10:08|| Front Page Top

#8 #7 In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.
That's literally apartheid.

You mean like East Jerusalem and the West Bank where if you sell to a Jew, you stand a good chance of being killed?
Posted by Frank G 2022-09-23 10:10||   2022-09-23 10:10|| Front Page Top

#9 The real argument, used by actual Israelis, is that apartheid is not only necessary but a just punishment

Man, those Jews are clever. No wonder they're all related to Gawd. I would stress on a bit of ethnic cleansing too, but they've been sorta fence sitters on that for thousands of years. Oh well...
Posted by Dron66046 2022-09-23 10:33||   2022-09-23 10:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Sounds like Tlaib and her advocates just stated half her party are terrorists which need to be purged by any means available.

Say, where was Waterman-Spaghettini and concerns about rhetoric a couple weeks ago? Funny how that works, eh?
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-09-23 10:50||   2022-09-23 10:50|| Front Page Top

#11 In Israel, where you can buy land and where you can live can be denied if you are of the wrong skin color.

As English teachers say: Be specific. Give examples. With links, as is the Rantburg way, so we can judge your sources for ourselves (though only two hot links per comment, or Rantburg’s program will reject the comment). Where in Israel are property rights limited by skin colour, Sheba Smith8503? In the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, sure, but that is because the Palestinians have self rule and decreed prison or death for any Palestinians that sells to a Jew.

Although I assume you are using skin colour as shorthand for Arab vs Jew. The problem there is that half of Israel’s Jews are not from Europe, but from the Muslim world — the Arab countries, Iran, North Africa, Ethiopia — and their skin colour and general features are exactly the same as those of the Arabs.

My father was Israeli and I’ve lived among Zionists my entire life. I’ve never heard about apartheid as a just punishment, or even a good idea. Again: give examples with links.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-09-23 11:31||   2022-09-23 11:31|| Front Page Top

#12 On the other hand, if Progressives want to openly define themselves as not including Zionists (by which they mean icky Jooooooos), I am fine with that. Let the lines be clear, and let those Jews and non-Jews who are on the Left be clear what they are prioritizing.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-09-23 11:57||   2022-09-23 11:57|| Front Page Top

#13 I'd really like to see Tlaib put her "argument" in the form of a resolution, to be followed by a roll-call vote in the House. Let's see who's who.
Posted by Matt 2022-09-23 12:08||   2022-09-23 12:08|| Front Page Top

#14 DooDahMan has it right. Tlaib represents the Hamas wing of the progressive movement which is an even loonier movement within the already loony Democrat Party. But look at it this way: It's nice to see divisions in that party.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-23 12:13||   2022-09-23 12:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Maybe we can get some red on red action.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-09-23 12:13||   2022-09-23 12:13|| Front Page Top

#16 You mean like East Jerusalem and the West Bank where if you sell to a Jew, you stand a good chance of being killed?

You know, when you accuse your enemy of doing the same thing you're doing - you're still doing the thing. That doesn't take the guilt out of doing it.
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 12:42||   2022-09-23 12:42|| Front Page Top

#17 My father was Israeli and I’ve lived among Zionists my entire life. I’ve never heard about apartheid as a just punishment, or even a good idea. Again: give examples with links.

Even Israel isn’t what it once was. Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system. The two-state process that sought to generate a country for the Palestinians has been dead for years and we have already seen the Israelis implement a very successful separation plan more than a bit reminiscent of South Africa’s Apartheid.

In fact, Israeli ultranationalists in private conversations even welcome the comparison to Apartheid, because they think Apartheid was gentler than what modern Israel has achieved. Under Apartheid, the black South Africans could travel to white-controlled zones for work. Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water. As the thinking goes, who cares if this radicalizes the Palestinians if they are radicalized on the other side of a wall. Arguably, places like Tunisia or Pakistan are now “more equal” democracies than Israel. (Ugh, I’m going to get so much hate mail for these last two paragraphs.)

-- Peter Zeihan, formerly of Stratfor

https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=de2bc41f8324e6955ef65e0c9&id=4d2a18b8a0

Even he fears bringing up the apartheid issue because he knows the hate it brings down on those who dare speak it - as Tlaib, deplorable as she is, is finding out.
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 12:51||   2022-09-23 12:51|| Front Page Top

#18 

"One mistake which the political analysts make, is to think that their enemies should be our enemies."

Golden words.

Those enough links for you? Nelson Mandela knows a thing or two about apartheid, don't you think?
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 13:19||   2022-09-23 13:19|| Front Page Top

#19 Fact Check: Rep. Rashida Tlaib Said Progressives Must Oppose Israeli Apartheid.

Recent claims that Tlaib insisted progressives must reject Israel’s right to exist have been examined and found to be misinformation.
Posted by Sheba Smith8503 2022-09-23 13:23||   2022-09-23 13:23|| Front Page Top

#20  Sheba Smith8503 From Wikipedia: There have been Israeli Arab members of the Knesset ever since the first Knesset elections in 1949. The following is a list of the 98 past and present members. Currently, in Israel "proper" (within the Green Line), only 7 percent of the land is owned privately by individuals (3 percent Jews and 4 percent Arabs).That's some apartheid there.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2022-09-23 13:29||   2022-09-23 13:29|| Front Page Top

#21 I think the Arab lost the war of annihilation in 1948 against Israel. Just three years before the Germans lost their war and saw East Prussia taken by the Soviets and Silesia taken over by Poland, each of whom ethnically cleansed the places. No one seems to have objected to those events. Given that other areas occupied in that war by Syria, Jordan, and Egypt were never treated as anything less than just another part of their country, they certainly weren't championed the Paleos. It was after those countries lost those territories to Israel in war, that they saw fit to finally recognize a Palestinian state. Given since then that those same Paleos have been agitated and used by various Arab states as a weapon against Israel, I have no issue with how they handle internal security (which is a lot better than the Chinese deal with the Uyghurs).
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-09-23 13:30||   2022-09-23 13:30|| Front Page Top

#22 Say...isn't that the guy whose wife went around having people ringed with a tire and set on fire?
Posted by swksvolFF 2022-09-23 13:36||   2022-09-23 13:36|| Front Page Top

#23 ^ A true Commie humanitarian
Posted by Frank G 2022-09-23 13:40||   2022-09-23 13:40|| Front Page Top

#24 Apartheid. Nazi. Islamophobia.

What candy ass, limpdick, wishy washy, namby pamby, milquetoast faggot world has this become? Entire populations, entire committees full of veterans, warfighting commanders, enforcers and judges and presidents can be kicked in the nuts with just a word and coerced with just guilt into not doing anything about anything?!

It's like magic. Say 'genocide' and watch someone's dick wilt. Say 'apartheid!' and the guy infront feels he is responsible for all the evil in the world.

All the remorseless bastards are gone to fight for commies and islamics. Who fights with us?
Posted by Dron66046 2022-09-23 17:16||   2022-09-23 17:16|| Front Page Top

#25 ^ The left is devaluing those pejoratives almost as fast as the currency. Soon, like the race card, it will be like the game little kids play in kindergarten where a word is repeated over and over until it's just a sequence of meaningless syllables.
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-09-23 17:24||   2022-09-23 17:24|| Front Page Top

#26 Peter Zeihan? A good choice for this crowd, Sheba Smith8503. Thank you for being so responsive.

Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system.

An analyst is only as good as the statistics he believes and the definitions he employs. Though your link is from 2019, Mr. Zeihan’s errors of fact on the subject of Israel are common, and his conclusions are shared with the equally misled starting back in the 1930s. Even Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas made the jihad of the Arab womb the subject of his dissertation when he was a scholarship student in Moscow, back in the day. A couple of things that Mr. Zeihan should have pondered, neatly demonstrating why no authority, no matter how authoritative, should be accepted without challenge — data dump follows:

From 3 days ago:
Israel’s population climbs toward 10 million mark, statistics bureau says: 9.6 million people live in country, 74% Jewish, 21% Arab; Central Bureau of Statistics predicts country will reach 20 million by 2065
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-population-climbs-toward-10-million-mark-statistics-bureau-says/

From 2016:
Jewish, Arab fertility rates in Israel on par for first time: Arab rate drops, Jewish rate rises, and women in both groups now give birth to an average of 3.13 children, highest in OECD
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-arab-fertility-rates-in-israel-on-par-for-first-time/

From 2006 (one of a number of studies on the subject done over the years responding to the consistent panic that Israel’s Jewish population will be crowded out by the Arabs):
The Million Person Gap: A Critical Look at Palestinian Demography
SUMMARY: Population statistics and predictions of the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) are unreliable. A BESA study that subjects Palestinian demography to rigorous analysis shows that the 2004 Palestinian population of the West Bank and Gaza stood at 2.5 million; not the 3.8 million claimed by the Palestinians. The 1997 PCBS population survey – which has been widely used as the basis for subsequent studies – inflated numbers by including over three hundred thousand Palestinians living abroad and double-counting over two hundred thousand Jerusalem Arabs included in Israel’s population survey. Later PCBS broadcasts echoed the forecasts of the 1997 study, reporting unrealized birth forecasts, including assumptions of mass Palestinian immigration that never occurred, and disregarding significant Palestinian emigration from the territories to Israel and neighboring Arab countries. The resulting PCBS report for 2004 inflated the size of the Arab population in the West Bank and Gaza by over fifty percent. The BESA study and further demographic research indicate that Israeli concerns about demographic pressure from the West Bank and Gaza have been exaggerated.
https://besacenter.org/the-million-person-gap-a-critical-look-at-palestinian-demography/

CIA World Factbook:
West Bank:
Population: 3,000,021 (2022 est.)
note: approximately 432,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank (2019); approximately 227,100 Israeli settlers live in East Jerusalem (2019)
Total fertility rate: 2.96 children born/woman (2022 est.
Net migration rate: -4.09 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2022 est.))

Gaza Strip:
Population: 1,997,328 (2022 est.)
Total fertility rate: 3.44 children born/woman (2022 est.)
Net migration rate: -4.55 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2022 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/

Based on all that, there are currently 7.6 million Jews and 2 million Arabs in Israel proper as of three days ago. Assuming the Palestinians follow historic trends, we can reasonably estimate from the official numbers collected by the CIA that there are really about 1.3 million Palestinians in the West Bank and 1 million in the Gaza Strip... or less. Altogether then, there are about 5.3 million Arabs — Arab-Israelis plus Palestinians — in the Greater Israel area, in total having a birthrate not significantly different than that of the Jews. And finally, the CIA World Factbook reports Israel’s net migration rate as 2.02 migrant(s)/1,000 population, compared to negative migration [emigration] in both the West Bank and Gaza.

So I see no possibility of the combined Palestinian and Arab Israeli population in the region becoming the majority. And the Arab Israelis, however much some of them object to being ruled by the Jews, have been loudly objecting to the idea of being given into the eager hands of the Palestinian Authority in a trade of Jewish communities in the West Bank for Arab communities in Israel, lock, stock, and barrel, so I see no possibility of the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs pooling their efforts to throw out the Jews, either.

Nelson Mandela is right that a country should not automatically take on the friends and enemies of its allies. But since he was a Marxist who’d gone through a nasty violent phase and as far as I know never repudiated his fellows from that time nor the wife who continued to organize violence while he was in prison, I see no virtue in the fact that the ANC follows the Soviet anti-Israel position.

Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water.

A fantasy, I’m afraid. One wonders that Mr. Zeihan did not look into that before spouting off — because several hundred thousand Palestinians a day come legally across the borders from the West Bank and Gaza Strip to work, and even more sneak illegally through holes in the fences. It makes me wonder on what other subjects Mr. Zeihan falls for conventional thinking instead of basing his conclusions on raw data.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-09-23 19:41||   2022-09-23 19:41|| Front Page Top

#27 Separately, the honourable Representative from the snowy state of Michigan is not the first to try to push Jews out of the Progressive movement. PJ Media posted this the other day about about Linda Sarsour, who took over the anti-Trump Pussy March until her viciousness caused the majority to shun her:

Whatever Happened to Linda Sarsour? New York Times Says Russian Trolls Got Her.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-09-23 20:27||   2022-09-23 20:27|| Front Page Top

#28 I would love for this cohort that supplies so much money and votes so loyally for democrats to wake up and smell the coffee.

I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by M. Murcek  2022-09-23 20:34||   2022-09-23 20:34|| Front Page Top

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