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2022-03-17 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Questioning the Ukraine war does not make you a 'Putin apologist'
[American Thinker] Writing in Commentary, neoconservative Joshua Muravchick labels those who believe that the roots of the current Russia-Ukraine War lie at least in part in the post—Cold War expansion of NATO as "Putin apologists." He groups into that category the Democratic Socialists of America (including several members of Congress); some writers at the far-left Nation magazine; members of the Quincy Institute, including its president, Andrew Bacevich and senior fellow Anatol Lieven; The American Conservative's Patrick Buchanan, Rod Dreher, and Scott McConnell; Frontpage Magazine contributor Robert Spencer; frequent Tablet contributor Lee Smith; conservative commentator Candace Owens; Fox News's Tucker Carlson; former congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard; and, last but not least, former president Donald Trump.

The "Putin apologists" on the left, Muravchik writes, are motivated by "an anti-war reflex" and a belief that "the American system, as an avatar of capitalism and systemic racism, is inherently malign." Some of the "Putin apologists" on the right, he explains, are "ideological isolationists" who "share the left's contempt for America." Others on what he calls the "Trumpist right" call themselves "patriots," but "their passions focus powerfully on disputes with other Americans" rather than our country's foreign adversaries. Muravchik doesn't appear to realize that the passionate focus of his article is his "disputes with other Americans."

Muravchik calls the NATO expansion argument of the "Putin apologists" flimsy because Putin's view that NATO expansion threatens Russia's security is "nonsensical." "NATO," he writes, "does not threaten Russia and never has threatened it." NATO, he continues, is a defensive alliance, and adding Ukraine to NATO "would not change this a whit." It apparently doesn't matter to Muravchik that Putin's and Russia's perception of NATO differs from his own or even from the reality that NATO is a defensive alliance.

Muravchik ignores what is one of the most important qualities of a statesman — what Halford Mackinder described as "an insight into the minds of other nations than his own." That insight was lacking, for example, during the Vietnam War, when the Johnson administration thought offering Ho Chi Minh massive government aid projects (like the Tennessee Valley Authority) would convince the communist leader to make peace and give up his quest to conquer South Vietnam. It was similarly lacking when that same administration (persuaded by defense secretary Robert McNamara, who knew next to nothing about communism or Russian history and culture) thought slowing or stopping the U.S. deployment of nuclear missiles would convince Soviet leaders to do likewise. More recently, the inability to gain insight into the minds of other nations on the part of the George W. Bush administration led to the delusional and costly policies of trying to spread democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan — policies, it is worth noting, championed by many neoconservatives.

In his famous "Long Telegram" in 1946, George F. Kennan explained that Soviet/Russian foreign policy was motivated by "a neurotic view of world affairs" and an "instinctive Russian sense of insecurity." That traditional Russian insecurity, Kennan noted, grew "as Russia came into contact with [the] economically advanced west," which triggered "fear of more competent, more powerful, more highly organized societies." Russia's rulers, he wrote, "have invariably sensed that their rule was relatively archaic in form, fragile and artificial in its psychological foundation, unable to stand comparison or contact with political systems of western countries." That is why Russian leaders, according to Kennan, "have always feared foreign penetration, feared direct contact between the western world and their own, feared what would happen if Russians learned truth about world without or if foreigners learned truth about world within."
Posted by Besoeker 2022-03-17 02:32|| || Front Page|| [15 views ]  Top

#1 So everyone who said NATO expansion was batshit crazy and would provoke Russia must be a Putin apologist too
Posted by Glusosh Tingle7241 2022-03-17 05:12||   2022-03-17 05:12|| Front Page Top

#2 ^ Yeah, pretty much. Either you're in favor of a full-on war with Russia or you're a Putinbot. Just try posting anything that points out the Nazis in Ukraine and watch it get censored.
Posted by Omomolet Phutch9064 2022-03-17 06:45||   2022-03-17 06:45|| Front Page Top

#3 Sure, Herb
Posted by Frank G 2022-03-17 07:07||   2022-03-17 07:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Having the taste of his taint on your tongue, does, however.

If you obsess over perceived flaws in Ukrainian society and ignore Putin's escalation and final decision to roll tanks, you're a Putin apologist.

If you blame Putin's adventurism on everyone but Putin, you're a Putin apologist.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-03-17 07:13||   2022-03-17 07:13|| Front Page Top

#5 I guess Kissinger must be a Putin apologist too.
Posted by Lonzo Chaimble9196 2022-03-17 07:18||   2022-03-17 07:18|| Front Page Top

#6 /\ If you obsess over perceived flaws in Ukrainian society

As if our own "flaws" were not enough to keep us occupied.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-03-17 07:20||   2022-03-17 07:20|| Front Page Top

#7 Espionage Act of 1917
Posted by DooDahMan 2022-03-17 07:47||   2022-03-17 07:47|| Front Page Top

#8 #5 the man who sold us out the Chinese?
Posted by Procopius2k 2022-03-17 08:09||   2022-03-17 08:09|| Front Page Top

#9 ^ "Further, the Wilson administration determined that any written materials violating the act or otherwise “urging treason” were “nonmailable matter,” and Postmaster General Albert S. Burleson ordered local postmasters to report any suspicious materials. Along with Attorney General Thomas Watt Gregory, Burleson led the way in aggressively enforcing the Espionage Act of 1917 to limit dissent.

"By 1918, in actions that seriously threatened First Amendment freedoms and that likely would not be upheld today, 74 newspapers had been denied mailing privileges."
Posted by Blackbeard Glolutch9836 2022-03-17 08:11||   2022-03-17 08:11|| Front Page Top

#10 ^^ Thomas Woodrow Wilson. Another "winner".
Posted by DooDahMan 2022-03-17 08:38||   2022-03-17 08:38|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ and Edith is DOCTOR Jill's role model
Posted by Frank G 2022-03-17 08:53||   2022-03-17 08:53|| Front Page Top

#12 Figures. At first I thought of Archie Bunker's wife.
Posted by DooDahMan 2022-03-17 08:54||   2022-03-17 08:54|| Front Page Top

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Posted by M. Murcek 2022-03-17 09:42||   2022-03-17 09:42|| Front Page Top

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