[YouTube] Kings and Generals' historical animated documentary series on the history of China continues with a video on Koxinga. This admiral became the pirate king of China and fought the Dutch Empire and the Qing dynasty. The episode covers the battles of Lialuo Bay and Fort Zeelandia.
More background from Chinese texts my wife has read. Taiwan was tribes of head hunters and the like that was the Polynesian and Melanesian root stock. The Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish came and made Taiwan into colonies. The Dutch in the south, Spain in the north and the Portuguese just a port. The Dutch and Spanish could not get good work out of the natives on their sugar and other plantations so they bought Chinese from the Chinese pirates just like in the new world they bought Blacks from African tribal chiefs, and then populated Taiwan with these Chinese beholden to them. The Chinese emperor and the pirates had some discussion resulting in the emperor chartering the pirates to take Taiwan and populate it with Chinese. The pirates defeated the Dutch and Spanish - leaving the port-holding Portuguese alone - and populated the island and ruled it for a long time. Later the Japanese came and played the same sort of colonization and all hunted the native tribes for sport. This is background for this relationship. The Chinese that the Dutch, Spanish and the pirates brought over became the Taiwanese. After the Chinese Civil War the people and armies that retreated to Taiwan became known as Chinese, the Chinese and Japanese already there became known as Taiwanese and the Tribes remained known as Tribes.
Whew! Okay, now to watch the video:
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#1 Bad... I know this question is supposed to be obsolete in the year 2021... but where is your wife from in China?
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#3 Alright. Part of why I was asking: there's a current theory in vogue in China that a lot of groups in Western and/or Southwestern China and points beyond, like the Tai and related peoples, actually came from Taiwan once upon a time. As in during the 2000-4000 years ago time frame.
I have my doubts about a lot of these alleged facts because I was given to understand that the groups in question are semi-related to the Tibetans and Burmese more than that.
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#4 Anyway, I thought the pirates of that place and time period were all a kind of mixture of Japanese and South Chinese outlaws and that the government was trying to fight them by depopulating the entire coastal zone, and that coastal Chinese trying to get away from that were a major driver of Chinese settlement in Taiwan (and the Philipines, and Nanyang (?) further south.
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#6 Oh.
I use a plugin that makes everything light text on a dark background, so I wound up thinking that was your commentary. Sorry.
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#7 3dc, badanov: if your wives want to weigh in on China, we would be fascinated to hear what they have to say.
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#9 Wife has no patience with media of any sort. Maybe I can get her to show me the books the info came from and I can post the titles.
That said if you ever see the various tribes put on a show... culturally it resembles US Indians or Polynesians more than Asian cultures. I have videos but not anonymous ones...
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#10 This video is fairly good:
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#13 Uh, has there been a sort of malfunction? Badanov's posts have gone away...
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#14 by his choice IIUC. He's a Mod
Posted by Frank G 2021-09-30 20:29||
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#15 I gave up too much information.
Posted by badanov 2021-09-30 20:51||
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#16 Tx Bad
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#17 It’s like the day I did the same and had to dump that comment into the Sink Trap, upon which a number of Rantburgers gallantly came to my defense as not deserving such harsh treatment — and I fell in love with you all all over again.
I’m sorry I missed your last while running off doing errands, badanov. I’m not good at privacy myself, so I forget to think about it for others.
Posted by trailing wife 2021-09-30 22:59||
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#18 Just an abundance of caution.
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#19
We would all eat cats,
If LIFE turned Bad A Nov
(BAD ENOUGH)
- Only U Can Prevent Internet-based Fires;
But There Again, There is Gavin Newsome,
And He Don't Give a Sh-t about Anyone nor Any Thing.
Posted by Nero Phagum7632 2021-09-30 23:14||
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#20 FWTW,
I read Badanov's post before they were deleted.
Gave me a perspective of input.
Thanks for your thoughts.
People like you make this site so valuable despite it's censors.
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