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2021-09-05 Europe
9/11: 20 years on, Germany still grapples with militant Islamists
[DW] On the 20th anniversary of 9/11, the Taliban
...Arabic for students...
flag is flying over Kabul again. A German police expert fears that Afghanistan could once again become a gathering place for jihadis — including from Germany.


Sven Kurenbach still remembers the images of the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsing and the spontaneous minute of silence at the Berlin police department that followed. When Islamist murderous Moslems weaponized passenger planes on September 11, 2001 — killing nearly 3,000 people — Kurenbach was still head of inspection for the Berlin police's special units. Today he is Germany's top investigator into jihadist activities.

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Twenty years ago, Islamist terror was still largely an unknown for German security authorities, Kurenbach recalled recently at an event organized by "Mediendienst Integration" in Berlin. Just a dozen officers at the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) had been dealing with it.

Since 2019, Kurenbach has headed the newly established Islamist-Motivated Terrorism/Extremism Department of the BKA. Around 500 criminal Sherlocks, scientists, translators, and analysts work there to investigate Islamists, monitor dangerous individuals, and try to prevent attacks. Just recently Germany arrested a major suspected fund raiser for the "Islamic State
...formerly ISIS or ISIL, depending on your preference. Before that they were al-Qaeda in Iraq, as shaped by Abu Musab Zarqawi. They're really very devout, committing every atrocity they can find in the Koran and inventing a few more. They fling Allah around with every other sentence, but to hear western pols talk they're not really Moslems....

TERROR EMIRATE AFGHANISTAN?
The fact that two decades after the attacks of September 11, 2001, the Taliban flag is once again flying over Kabul worries Kurenbach.

"My fear is that the Taliban will tolerate a wide variety of terrorist organizations on their territory and that there will be training camps again," he told DW. "They have always been there, especially in the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistain."

Kurenbach points to organizations that have disappeared from the headlines that already have a German reference in their name, such as the "Deutsche Taliban Mudschahidin" (German Taliban Mujahidin). "They were already making propaganda videos back then in the areas the Taliban controlled in Afghanistan."

Kerstin Eppert, an Islamism expert from Bielefeld, has observed that various German groups are already exploiting developments in Afghanistan for propaganda purposes. According to her, the Taliban's takeover of Kabul was "a gift for the movement in Germany. After the downfall of IS in Syria, Islamists are now again talking about a 'victory for Islam.'"

MORE THAN 1,000 'DANGEROUS' AND 'RELEVANT' PERSONS
According to police data, the number of so-called "dangerous persons" in the field of Islamist terrorism currently stands at 554, of whom 90 are in jug and 136 live outside Europa
...the land mass occupying the space between the English Channel and the Urals, also known as Moslem Lebensraum...
— for example in the northern Syrian rebel stronghold of Idlib. The somewhat vague term "dangerous persons" refers to people who police believe could commit "politically motivated crimes of considerable significance."

In addition, there are another 527 "relevant persons." These are people in the wider circle of those dangerous persons whom the authorities think could provide logistical or other support for terrorist acts.

The number of Islamist dangerous persons in Germany has fallen by around a quarter since December 2019.
Marvelous! How did that happen?
At that time, the federal government named 679 religiously motivated threats in response to a parliamentary question by the Free Democratic Party (FDP).

Islamic scholar Michael Kiefer confirms that since the failure of the "Islamic State" in Syria, murderous Moslem forces have been pushed back in favor of classic Islamist networks. But Kiefer also emphasizes that the issue will remain relevant.

A look at the reports of Germany's intelligence service — the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution — confirms this. Twenty years ago, the topic of Islamism was still included in the section on "security threats and murderous Moslem efforts by foreigners." The most recent report on the protection of the constitution has its own chapter on "Islamism/Islamist terrorism" that is just under 70 pages long.
Whew! The Germans do like to be thorough.
WAR CRIMES AND RECRUITMENT
The increase in Islamist movements worldwide and also in Germany has to do with the way the "war on terror" — proclaimed two decades ago by then US President George W. Bush — was conducted. The attack on Iraq in 2003 in violation of international law,
...not actually, no. At its maximum there were forty-eight countries in the Coalition of the Willing, though not Germany...
the reintroduction of torture under the euphemistic term "enhanced interrogation techniques," the decades-long detention of people without any court judgment at the US naval base at Guantanamo, the abuses by private security firms, and Bush's "crusade" rhetoric all played a role in Islamist propaganda. "People were happy to take that up and develop their victim narratives from it," Michael Kiefer explains. This has made it possible to make terror seem like a defensive war.

Political scientist Julian Junk of the Hessian Foundation for Peace and Conflict Research agrees. "We can state that the extralegal methods in the 'War on Terror' have had a mobilizing effect for Salafist and jihadist groups," Junk told DW. "These experiences of injustice can contribute to radicalization processes, but they are rarely monocausal."

INTERNET, PROPAGANDA, AND PREVENTION
But Junk also points to other factors that have played a role in the past 20 years such as developments in technology: "We now have drones, internet algorithms, the ability to organize quickly and transnationally in encrypted form and to share information and let ideas wander. All of this contributes to the feeling that there is more mobilization for terrorism, and, at the same time, more fear of it." These new technologies, however, also open up scope for countering terrorism with preventive or policing measures, Junk said.

The keyword is prevention. More than 1,000 Germans left for the territory of the terrorist caliphate in Syria and Iraq after 2014 to join the "Islamic State." The wave of departures took the German authorities by surprise, says Islamism expert Kiefer. But then the federal and state governments spent a lot of money on prevention programs. Kiefer says over €100 million ($120 million) are spent annually.
That does seem a lot as a non-submission tax, but how does it compare to toher countries?
These funds are directed specifically against Salafism. Its conservative interpretation of Islam often provides the ideological basis for murderous Moslem jihadists.

Salafists
...Salafists are ostentatiously devout Moslems who figure the ostentation of their piety gives them the right to tell others how to do it and to kill those who don't listen to them...
consider themselves the sole representatives of the true faith and devalue others. This extreme black-and-white thinking demonizes enemies and denies them humanity. As Michael Kiefer notes, this is a characteristic that Islamists share with right-wing murderous Moslems.
Posted by trailing wife 2021-09-05 00:55|| || Front Page|| [13 views ]  Top
 File under: Devout Moslems 

#1 So there are 48 countries that are guilty of war crimes and whose heads of state need to be tried at The Hague. I can't believe anyone in this day and age still thinks the Iraq war was justified. The WMD didn't exist and they knew that going in.

"This section examines the legality of the 2003 US-UK war on Iraq. Shortly before the outbreak of hostilities, UN Secretary General stated that the use of force without Council endorsement would "not be in conformity with the Charter" and many legal experts now describe the US-UK attack as an act of aggression, violating international law.

Experts also point to illegalities in the US conduct of the war and violations of the Geneva Conventions by the US-UK of their responsibilities as an occupying power. The section also looks at wartime violations on the Iraqi side."

https://archive.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/lawindex.htm
Posted by Blinky Pholuling8616 2021-09-05 03:30||   2021-09-05 03:30|| Front Page Top

#2 i bet there were some pretty good nazis. as i'm sure there are some pretty good moslems.

take from that what you will
Posted by Retard Strength 2021-09-05 09:10||   2021-09-05 09:10|| Front Page Top

#3 The increase in Islamist movements worldwide and also in Germany has to do with the way the "war on terror" — proclaimed two decades ago by then US President George W. Bush — was conducted.

I tend to agree with this part of the statement.

Having ZERO civilizational confidence and putting on display craven submission and masochism (not cowardice!) in the immediate aftermath of a mass fatality war crime attack on your country will make you look like the weak horse:

Taliban 'moderates' offered political power in Afghanistan by Colin Powell in October of 2001.

The operation was originally called "Operation Infinite Justice", but as similar phrases have been used by adherents of several religions as an exclusive description of God, it is believed to have been changed to avoid offense to Muslims who are the majority religion in Afghanistan.[24] In September 2001, U.S. President George W. Bush's remark that "this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while", which prompted widespread criticism from the Islamic world, may also have contributed to the renaming of the operation.[24]


Hence the total, utter and complete failure of the 9/11 war AKA "Operation Thank you, sir, may I have another Enduring Freedom"

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Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2021-09-05 10:49||   2021-09-05 10:49|| Front Page Top

#4  The WMD didn't exist and they knew that going in.

They did exist, actually. We documented that here at Rantburg at the time and for years afterward. Search the archives, my dear Blinky Pholuling8616 Mostly chemical weapons in bulk in the form of huge bunkers storing pesticides that have the same effects on humans as they do insects — do you remember the villages full of dead rebellious Kurds in the 1990s? It was all over the Western news that Saddam Hussein was using chemical weapons on them — but also small amounts of biologicals that the Al Qaeda cadres and others were trained to use at the facilities for terrorists at Salman Pak, who got some of the training given to Saddam Hussein’s extra special forces, and barrels of uranium yellow cake that killed some peasants who found the stuff in an unguarded bunker after the 2003 invasion, as I recall, and nuclear bomb-making equipment, if I recall correctly, hastily buried under the rosebushes at the bottom of the head nuclear scientist’s garden. Then there were the burn ditches around Baghdad and the truck convoys running full down to Syria with Iraqi weapons and gold, then coming back empty — both going on for months before the 2003 invasion. Do recall that the Israelis had destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor the French had built back in 1981, which did not destroy Iraq’s small but real uranium stockpile or the yellowcake precursors.

Backgrounder from the Council on Foreign Relations (2005):
IRAQ: Weapons Inspections: 1991-1998

Did the inspectors find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Yes--and they destroyed more of them than the U.S.-led coalition did during the Gulf War.


[tw note: This implies that there were still plenty of them at the time of the invasion in 2003.]

Among other things, U.N. inspectors located hundreds of tons of chemical weapons agents and thousands more tons of the chemicals used to make them; a major biological weapons production facility; machines for separating out radioactive isotopes that could be used to fuel a nuclear bomb; and dozens of missiles, launching pads, and missile warheads for both conventional and chemical munitions. Inspectors were stunned by the volume of information and material they found, and surprised that Iraq’s weapons programs were much more advanced than they had expected.
Posted by trailing wife 2021-09-05 12:46||   2021-09-05 12:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Residual WMD did exist, but an active WMD program did not...and we knew this going in.

The 9/11 attack was one important sub-para in OBLs larger campaign plan. The elimination of Massoud was one point...clearing his six.

The attack against us (opposed by Zawahiri for all of the relevant reasons) was intended to rally the troops to the black banners.

Always talked about third phase...but never openly proven or documented...was OBLs intent to assassinate Saddam...one bullet is all it takes to change that form of government...and if the troops are rallying to the black banners...intent was to emplace a ruler that would be loyal to AQ.

Thus, the cause and effect. The Bush admin did not want to risk a ready made WMD program falling to AQ at that point in time.

But, Saddam did not have a WMD program, he did maintain enough WMD to paraphrasing his words - to keep the Kurds and Shia in line. If they did not fear him, well then Shia v alhus Sunnah open warfare would be in full bloom. He was a prophet.
Posted by Tennessee 2021-09-05 13:52||   2021-09-05 13:52|| Front Page Top

#6 I remember it the way TW described.
Saddam had chemical and biological weapons when Bush ordered the invasion.
Plus, they were shooting at our aircraft daily.
Posted by Lonzo Hapsburg5562 2021-09-05 15:46||   2021-09-05 15:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Please believe me when I tell you Saddam did have an active WMD program.
Posted by Besoeker 2021-09-05 19:06||   2021-09-05 19:06|| Front Page Top

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