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2021-08-01 -Great Cultural Revolution
Imagine If They Hadn't Lied to Us for the Last 18 Months
[Townhall] It's Kurt
Everybody wrap something around your face again even though they said you wouldn’t need to if you got vaxxed! But they didn’t lie — no, apparently a bunch of people — and not just those evil white nationalist-Christian-gun-Jesus-flag people — are refusing to get the vaccine, and the reason is that they are moral defectives somehow in thrall to Tucker Carlson’s Svengali-like powers of persuasion. You see, the people who won’t get it are stupid people who hate science because they refuse to trust the people who have spent the last year-and-a-half lying to them.

I don’t blame those folks a bit.


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Let’s try a thought experiment. Let’s imagine our ruling class was not as utterly corrupt, dishonest, incompetent and downright stupid as it manifestly is. I know that’s hard, but go with me.

This weird new virus appears and starts spreading. Instead of leveraging it to take down Trump, the Democrats appear with the Republican president and GOP leadership to announce they are working together to solve the problem. Imagine that instead of shaming people, first about wearing masks, then about not wearing masks, then about not wearing two masks, then no masks, then masks again, they went with transparency.

"We are not sure how much, if at all, masks work. We’re running test trials to see and we’ll tell you what we find as soon as we have the data. In the meantime, let’s all wear them just in case." And then, when they ran the studies, they would tell us the answer.

Have you seen any studies about masks? We get a lot of that fascist gnome and others telling us to wear masks (after initially telling us they were useless — remember that memory-holed narrative?) but where’s the actual science?

See, you have to believe the science, and believe them when they tell you what it is yet won’t show you. Obey!

But trust is earned, and these people act like it is their right to have our trust, that we owe them to take it on faith that whatever these people say is the Gospel. Except they are wrong all the time, and instead of owning up to it, they treat you like some sort of idiot for noticing. When you don’t trust people who are perpetually wrong, that’s not denying science. That is science — you are making observations, and drawing reasonable conclusions. In this case, the observation is that our establishment sucks, and that it can’t be trusted.

How far would a little humility gone? Very far. Imagine, and this will be hard, these masterminds getting up and saying, "America, we were wrong about something. We thought it was right, but we tested it and we found we were not right. Here is the data, and now that we have better information, we are changing our recommendation."

What would we say? "Oh, okay. They were doing the best they can and being straight with us. People make mistakes. We need to learn from them. After all, it’s been a century since the last pandemic so we have a lot of lessons to re-learn. Let’s move forward."

But no. No, there’s no humility. They make a mistake and they don’t stand up and admit it. Instead, they just change the narrative and act as if the narrative du jour was always the narrative. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. But we’re not blind or stupid for noticing.

They tell us the vaccine is going to make us immune from COVID. Then it turns out you can still get it, just not as bad. Yet when people notice this 180-degree spin, the smart set shrieks like Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Just imagine if they had been honest and forthright. But that was not in the cards. The ruling caste’s conceit is that we are idiots, unable and unworthy to make simple decisions for ourselves. We must be guided, nudged, or intimidated, if necessary, into making the right choice. And we do not deserve explanations, because the last thing our elite wants is accountability.

Instead, they want unlimited power. Look at their arbitrary emergency rules and regulations. You could go to a strip club but not a church. Huh? And the courts, again, let us down initially by not enforcing the Constitution. It was an emergency, after all, and as we all know, in an emergency you need to rule by decree, say our betters. So, we got to watch idiots walking around in the sunshine with mouth thongs on while cops busted mommies for letting little Billy play on the slide. At no time did most of the establishment reconsider or change. No, it doubled down on failure. Yet we’re supposed to trust it?
Nope
And then there are the revelations about where it came from. They first blamed the innocent pangolin. But it looks like it was our elite’s buddies the Chi Coms, except when people raised that notion earlier, they got banned by social media. Our establishment limited our ability to speak about something true. Think about that. And they want to do it again.

And that’s where the vaccine hesitancy comes in. The smart set squanders its trust then is shocked to find that its trust has been squandered. People are seeing side effects from the vaccine. Those were always going to happen. But our elite is unwilling to level with people about them and let individuals manage their own risks. Instead, our garbage elite dismisses people with questions as "anti-vaxxers" instead of engaging with them and earning their trust. See, we peasants are unworthy of engagement. How dare we seek to choose for ourselves? The nerve of us serfs!

I got the vaccine. I also had the disease. I talked to conservative doctors I trusted about my unique situation and made my decision. You should do the same — you know your situation, and you should balance the risks. I don’t tell other people what to do because it’s not my business and I don’t know their story. I’ve had people get on me for mine, and they need to back off — they don’t know my situation and it’s none of their business. Similarly, theirs is none of mine.

The establishment has squandered its credibility, which is why its demand that everyone take the shot is getting shriller and the attempts to force people more punitive. Imagine if they had been honest from the beginning. Imagine if they had been held accountable. But to do that, you have to imagine having a ruling class that doesn’t suck. And that’s more imagination than anyone can muster.
Posted by Frank G 2021-08-01 08:32|| || Front Page|| [26 views ]  Top

#1 Thousands of anti-vaxxers march through Paris holding placards saying 'we are not guinea pigs' and 'it is our choice' in opposition to compulsory jabs and vaccine passports
Posted by Skidmark 2021-08-01 09:36||   2021-08-01 09:36|| Front Page Top

#2 Incidentally, Kurt himself IS vaccinated.

Faith is for the congregation, not the priest?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 09:57||   2021-08-01 09:57|| Front Page Top

#3 Faith is for the congregation, not the priest?
He did mention this:
I got the vaccine. I also had the disease. I talked to conservative doctors I trusted about my unique situation and made my decision. You should do the same —
Posted by CrazyFool 2021-08-01 10:04||   2021-08-01 10:04|| Front Page Top

#4 He did mention this:
I got the vaccine. I also had the disease. I talked to conservative doctors I trusted about my unique situation and made my decision. You should do the same


And if your doctor tells you not to vaccinate, your family can sue him for malpractice after delta gets you? (well, he is a lawyer)

p.s. What the f*ck are "conservative doctors"?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 10:12||   2021-08-01 10:12|| Front Page Top

#5 ... I noticed it, not just with Kurt - but other "libertarians" as well. They criticize USG for NOT being omniscient. Strange, very strange.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 10:16||   2021-08-01 10:16|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't see a problem with one getting the vaccine but still feeling others have the right to decline.
Posted by rjschwarz 2021-08-01 11:22||   2021-08-01 11:22|| Front Page Top

#7 ^This is not a personal decision - because it affects other people.
For example: an attendant in a retirement home does not have a right to refuse vaccination AND keep their job. Ditto for medical personnel or school teachers.

On the positive side, I understand that now - when delta (which is not age discriminatory like the earlier versions) became prevalent, people who know somebody that got it personally, harry to vaccinate - some people are slow learners.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 11:37||   2021-08-01 11:37|| Front Page Top

#8 Regardless of your position on any of the vaccines, it is impossible to ignore that a large part of what has gone on has little to do with the supposed catalyst.

You demand the vaccine (any) or you refuse and of course anybody who doesn't follow you is obviously an imbecile, government stooge or possibly an imbecilic government stooge. Fine.

That still doesn't explain the fact that a great deal of global governmental intervention has been at best adjacent to and in many cases counter to public health and societal well being.

I would also observe they seem to be getting a might shrill and thuggish about something that produces a 99 + % survival rate. So, what's it all mean?
Posted by Cesare 2021-08-01 11:52||   2021-08-01 11:52|| Front Page Top

#9 ^See my remark re delta AND slow learners.

Come-on people give it up, everybody knows that you oppose the vaccines for the same reason you oppose masks & lockdowns. You oppose anything that comes from the other party (and so do they) regardless of the facts of the matter.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 11:56||   2021-08-01 11:56|| Front Page Top

#10 Since you know everyone's deep dark motivations and thoughts, what am I mentally saying to you now?
Posted by Frank G 2021-08-01 12:06||   2021-08-01 12:06|| Front Page Top

#11 You started thinking Frank? Congratulations!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 12:12||   2021-08-01 12:12|| Front Page Top

#12 #9 Leaving aside the fact you have no idea whether I am vaccinated or not, whether I oppose them or not, it's worth examining what you mean by facts. Because at this moment in time you can run down any fact or expert to prove anything you want.

No Dr I and my personal medical history does not extend beyond me so it would ne unethical to promote either therapeutic approach. Is that clear enough for you?

Now I may well be a slow learner, obviously I would be the last to know. But oh real man of genius, did it ever occur to you to consider the actual question I was raising instead of the fevered dialogue churning in the back of your head?

Golly, back when I was a blunt instrument for the state they even told us to watch out about all that 'ere self talk. I'm guessing yours is out of hand. I'd hate to make any suggestions in the presence of nobility and all, but you might want to think about getting into the same conversation before manically proclaiming how right you are. All I did was ask a question or 2.
Posted by Cesare 2021-08-01 12:47||   2021-08-01 12:47|| Front Page Top

#13 Tsk, tsk, tsk Cesare - you doth protest too much.

Hint, your motivation is not an issue here.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 13:24||   2021-08-01 13:24|| Front Page Top

#14 Many thanks for the hint, G. Living in outer darkness I need all I can get. But I have to differ with the rest of your response, or as they say in the aulde country, I call bullsh!t.

Your favored arrow device left me thinking, or perhaps 'thinking' you were responding to me. That with the treasured suggestion I should follow the advice for the slow of thought. Then you went on to tell me just what I was thinking and why using that pesky 'you' pronoun.

So technically I suppose you would be right, since you apparently are as unable to divine my motivation as my point and ultimately questions.

Protest too much? How clever. If I were quicker on the uptake I would guess somebody important said that. Perhaps I simply detest mind readers, after all it's most commonly an older woman's profession anyway.
Posted by Cesare 2021-08-01 13:56||   2021-08-01 13:56|| Front Page Top

#15 I saddened by your response Cesare. All wounded ego and no consideration for the real issues involved.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 14:07||   2021-08-01 14:07|| Front Page Top

#16 Did you ever fucking look at the information I told you to look at from the 2017 PDR on HCQ dosages and how it relates to all of the studies or are you going to keep looking away every time I mention it?
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-08-01 15:09||   2021-08-01 15:09|| Front Page Top

#17 Language, Thing, language - don't imitate certain immature individuals. Did you remember my argument about HCQ - if it were capable of working some poor country would have used it. Remember USA is has 4.2% of world population. Don't overestimate the power & influence of Fauci and "Big Pharma".
For that matter, when pandemic started, Bibi went to his pal Modi and scored 7 tons of HCQ. Several hospitals and universities in Israel tested it - totally worthless.
Not enough? Google "Brazil HCQ".
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 15:37||   2021-08-01 15:37|| Front Page Top

#18 So in short you don't have to look at the details of the fraud because you don't think it's plausible to begin with.

>>Googling "Brazil HCQ" is not peer reviewed.

AND: IF Google was funding Ecohealth Alliance, they're complicit in the creation of the virus. The figures I found in the print PDR are different than the ones from the website.
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There is broad scale information warfare going on.

Part of the problem with hcq is that it was a good preventative and/or early stage treatment, which is something western medicine is refusing to look at.

Look, trying to extract value from the stuff that Fauci and the international bureaucracy is putting out is basically like trying to polish a turd after picking it up by the clean end. Go and look at the sources on paper yourself from shortly before the problem started.

(Helpful hint: 2010's PDR doesn't have an extensive entry on HCQ, but 2017's does, I guess because it started being used in the west again due to RA and Lupus.)

There's more, but I'm not trying to convince you to take HCQ _right now_. There may actually be better drugs for you to take, although they're lying about them too...
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-08-01 16:34||   2021-08-01 16:34|| Front Page Top

#19 So in short you don't have to look at the details of the fraud because you don't think it's plausible to begin with.

Exzactly! I also refuse to read creationist papers, intelligent design papers, and any papers on evolution by physicists - I'd rather watch anime.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-08-01 17:08||   2021-08-01 17:08|| Front Page Top

#20 Do you know what the Physician's Desk Reference is?
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-08-01 17:23||   2021-08-01 17:23|| Front Page Top

#21 #15 So now you've branched out from your ruefully unsuccessful mind reading gig into psychoanalysis, with similar results. You simply don't like it that somebody called you on your BS and preposterous attempts at bullying.

You did EXACTLY what I said you did and you're too small to simply own it, you know, like a man. You neither refute nor provide counter point and above all you have totally avoided any remote attempt to address my initial point. Your misreading of which has led to our exchange.

Even a woman can't avoid the actual underlying point and deflect this well. All that anime is going to your head. Oh, and as a very maybe THE wisest man recently observed 'belief obscures reality', sort of like your response to #18 thing from snowy mountain...superb self awareness, Bravo!
Posted by Cesare 2021-08-01 18:38||   2021-08-01 18:38|| Front Page Top

#22 Too bad Kurt had to anchor his argument on the COVID debacle, because the larger point isn't COVID, vaccines, masks or lockdowns. The big picture is credibility or lack of it. The "scientists" in this, Fauxi, et. al. - credibility zero. The institutions, CDC, NIH, et. al. - credibility zero. The politicians, media and corporate officer types shrieking "Muh Science™! - credibility zero. Ditto for the institutions and organizations they populate

The entire concept of "The Noble Lie in service of a Greater Truth" is noxious, toxic bunkum, and anyone trafficking in it - credibility zero.
Posted by M. Murcek 2021-08-01 19:00||   2021-08-01 19:00|| Front Page Top

#23 The GIVERnment has taken this pandemic so serious that they have only let in ~1.3 million unvaccinated illegals into the country since the pandemic started.
Posted by Airandee 2021-08-01 22:04||   2021-08-01 22:04|| Front Page Top

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