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2021-06-22 -Land of the Free

[RealClearPolitics] You probably heard it reported a few weeks ago that Donald Trump has been telling confidants that he expects to be reinstated as president in August. I have no way of knowing if that story is accurate, nor does New York Times correspondent Maggie Haberman, who reported it, but we do know that Mike Lindell, the CEO of MyPillow, has boasted that he has evidence of election fraud that will force the Supreme Court to unanimously overturn the Nov. 3 election and put Trump back in power within six weeks.

No doubt that is far-fetched, but it raises the fascinating theoretical question of what would happen if a presidential election were indeed proven to be stolen. What would be the recourse? Or would the nation just have to accept its illegitimate ruler the way they do in corrupt Third World countries?

Posted by Cholutle Flelet5188 2021-06-22 08:58|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Several Constitutional scholars have opined that we are stuck with Joe. Even if massive voter fraud is proven. He was elected by the electors and confirmed in the house.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2021-06-22 10:58|| 2021-06-22 10:58|| Front Page Top

#2 would the nation just have to accept its illegitimate ruler the way they do in corrupt Third World countries?

Hell no.

Posted by Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589 2021-06-22 11:45|| 2021-06-22 11:45|| Front Page Top

#3 He was elected by the electors

Yes, and the electors were selected by overt fraud. A contract predicated upon fraud has no standing. What happens next? There is no answer - only power.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-06-22 11:59|| 2021-06-22 11:59|| Front Page Top

#4 Prosecute.

Posted by Ebbomoger Speaking for Boskone4589 2021-06-22 12:03|| 2021-06-22 12:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Constitutional uncharted waters. Suppose they Impeach the Biden/Harris ticket leaving... Pelosi as Acting POTUS? Trump has already resigned, so...?

Posted by magpie 2021-06-22 12:30|| 2021-06-22 12:30|| Front Page Top

#6 ...The only Constitutional remedy is impeachment. IF it could be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that Biden knew what was going on (and if you think about it, that would explain why he was in his basement for most of the campaign and DOCTOR Jill was doing so much) then he could be jacked up on charges before the Senate.

Does anyone really think that people like Pelosi, Schumer, et al, would vote to impeach or convict?

You could hope that IF Biden actually didn't know what was happening and then had it proven, he'd have the decency to resign, but THAT opens up a can of worms at a positively Biblical level.

*If he resigns, you'll then have to prove President Harris knew, and imagine the fun once people start screaming about 'lynching' the first Female/Black VP.
*But let's say that somehow, it happens. Then that puts Nancy Pelosi in the White House - and I've said for some time that she may be crazy, but she's not insane - she's not going to leave a job as powerful as SOTH just to be President for a few years.
*And that makes Senator Patrick Leahy, the President pro tem of the Senate, POTUS. Hell of an improvement. And again - does anyone think that Harris, Pelosi, or Leahy would be any better than Biden, if not in fact worse?

I remember the many links here from 2017 and 2018, about the contorted scenarios that people were coming up with to put Hilary! in the Oval Office, all of which stumbled on the Constitution that we presumably hold so dear. But now, presumably rational people are making similar arguments from the other side of the aisle, and it just ain't gonna work.

We're stuck until 2024.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2021-06-22 13:28|| 2021-06-22 13:28|| Front Page Top

#7 Remember we are the united States of America (remember that in the original document united was not capitalized because it was the States of America acting in a united fashion to create.}. Constitutional remedy by deciding to re-stage the election when fraud has been proved could happen in mere weeks if all state legislatures acted. And, if they were really insightful, repealing the 17th Amendment might also change permanently the insanity of fiscal malfeasance that has impoverished our grandchildren.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2021-06-22 13:31|| 2021-06-22 13:31|| Front Page Top

#8 presumably rational people are making similar arguments from the other side of the aisle, and it just ain't gonna work.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-06-22 13:33|| 2021-06-22 13:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution says:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...

I don't see anything that requires an honest election. Theoretically, a State could, if the Leg decrees, choose Electors from the local machine without reference to any election at all. If a State decides to stick with a bogus outcome, it seems to fall within their rights.

(Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer (PTUI), but I did have Fireball in my coffee this morning)

Posted by SpeakingFromIgnorance 2021-06-22 13:47|| 2021-06-22 13:47|| Front Page Top

#10 Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...

There is a big chunk of the problem. The Constitution says the state legislatures set the rules, but because *reasons*, state judges set aside the existing rules and made up their own for how ballots would be counted. (Hint: judges are part of the Executive and not the Legislature) I still cannot believe the US Supreme court punted on this for lack of standing.

Posted by SteveS 2021-06-22 14:36|| 2021-06-22 14:36|| Front Page Top

#11 ^-- Judges are part if the Judicial... not the Executive branch.
They only act as if they are part of the Royalty.

Posted by CrazyFool 2021-06-22 14:52|| 2021-06-22 14:52|| Front Page Top

#12 IF it could be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that Biden knew what was going on
Quite obviously impossible - on this or any other thing he is clueless.
Constitution provides only one means of replacing the President, regardless of how he obtained office, and that is Impeachment, which will not happen. Even if it should, it would have to be repeated with Harris, resulting in Pelosi or whomever Harris appointed before being expelled. In no case could it ever be Trump.
The Bill of Rights did provide for one other means of replacing a government which had gotten to big for its britches, a number between one and three.

Posted by Glenmore 2021-06-22 15:19|| 2021-06-22 15:19|| Front Page Top

#13 He was elected by the electors and confirmed in the house.

But was Biden really elected by the proper number of electors? If he were not, a remedy must be found. The election would have been stolen and Biden would not be the President. Moreover, all his decisions would have to be negated.

Posted by JohnQC 2021-06-22 16:09|| 2021-06-22 16:09|| Front Page Top

#14 Judges are part of the Judicial...not the Executive branch.

Doh! Brain fart. Thanks!

But the point still stands. The Legislature sets the rules and this time they didn't.

Posted by SteveS 2021-06-22 16:19|| 2021-06-22 16:19|| Front Page Top

#15 IF it could be proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that Biden knew what was going on.
That is possibly where the dementia comes in. Even if he doesn't, he could play Sergeant Schultz and people would absolutely believe him.

Posted by rjschwarz 2021-06-22 17:08|| 2021-06-22 17:08|| Front Page Top

#16 SCOTUS punted on the Texas filing. They are not going to take this up. Welcome to the Texas Confederacy. Will there be fighting? You betcha!

Posted by irish rage boy 2021-06-22 18:28|| 2021-06-22 18:28|| Front Page Top

#17 Constitution DOES NOT PROHIBIT reinstatement.

Posted by Blackbeard Barnsmell6454 2021-06-22 20:59|| 2021-06-22 20:59|| Front Page Top

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