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2020-06-14 Europe
Yankee go home: What does moving troops out of Germany mean?
[YNet] - After more than a year of thinly-veiled threats to start pulling U.S. troops out of Germany unless Berlin increases its defense spending, President Donald Trump appears to be proceeding with a hardball approach, planning to cut the U.S. military contingent by more than 25%.
“Nothing personal, guys. I made you an offer. You refused.”
About 34,500 American troops are stationed in Germany - 50,000 including civilian Department of Defense employees - the plan Trump reportedly signed off on last week envisions reducing active-duty personnel to 25,000 by September, with further cuts possible.

But as details of the still-unannounced plan trickle out, there's growing concerns it will do more to harm the U.S.'s own global military readiness and the NATO alliance than punish Germany.

The decision was not discussed with Germany, nor with any other NATO members - additionally, Congress was not officially informed - prompting a letter from 22 Republican members of the House Armed Services Committee urging a rethink.

"The threats posed by Russia have not lessened, and we believe that signs of a weakened U.S. commitment to NATO will encourage further Russian aggression and opportunism," Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas wrote in a letter to Trump with his colleagues. Sen. Jack Reed.

...The suggestion that removing troops will punish Germany, however, overlooks the fact that American troops are no longer primarily there for the country's defense, said retired Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, who commanded U.S. Army Europe from 2014 until 2017.
To me it seems that the congressman and the general contradict each other.
...Trump indicated last summer that he was thinking of moving some troops from Germany to Poland, telling Poland's President Andrzej Duda during an Oval Office meeting: "Germany is not living up to what they're supposed to be doing with respect to NATO, and Poland is."

Duda has been trying to woo more American forces, even suggesting Poland would contribute over $2 billion to create a permanent U.S. base, which he said could be named "Fort Trump." In the current plan, at least some Germany-based troops are expected to be shifted to Poland.
Well, at least, the congressman can calm down now. As for the general, betcha the troops will find living in Poland much cheaper - especially the services of the, ahem, seamstresses.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-14 09:18|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 Lots of German girls like black GIs. White German guys don't like that. So we'll see.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-06-14 09:35||   2020-06-14 09:35|| Front Page Top

#2 All "seamstresses" like greenbacks.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-14 09:39||   2020-06-14 09:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Spinsters, too.
Posted by Clem 2020-06-14 09:45||   2020-06-14 09:45|| Front Page Top

#4 Spinsters like sweet talk best.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-14 09:53||   2020-06-14 09:53|| Front Page Top

#5 Poland's President Andrzej Duda during an Oval Office meeting: "Germany is not living up to what they're supposed to be doing with respect to NATO, and Poland is."

So, let Poland annex Germany (they already took Silesia). Then our troops will be in Poland, not Germany. No relocation costs. (do I need to put a /sarc on that?)
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-06-14 11:20||   2020-06-14 11:20|| Front Page Top

#6 ^Turn around is fair play.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-14 11:30||   2020-06-14 11:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Be funny if it ended up with the Americans streaming thru the Fulda Gap instead of the Rooskis.
Posted by SteveS 2020-06-14 11:43||   2020-06-14 11:43|| Front Page Top

#8 Ike: Beware the military industrial complex.
Posted by warthogswife 2020-06-14 12:56||   2020-06-14 12:56|| Front Page Top

#9 ^You think generals backstabbing Trump because they're unhappy with his NATO moves?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-06-14 13:51||   2020-06-14 13:51|| Front Page Top

#10 Many generals have gotten used to the idea of funding and prestige without the achievement of anything resembling victory.

When cost/benefit analyses raise questions about how much they should be getting, it starts to get...upsetting.

Also, this is the Clinton/Bush/Obama cohort of perfumed princes, so there's that factor as well.
Posted by charger 2020-06-14 14:23||   2020-06-14 14:23|| Front Page Top

#11 Germans want us out. So we're going. Fuck 'em.

Germany doesn't see any threat from Russia. Otherwise they wouldn't have completed Nordstream 2.

The European idea is to neuter Russia by economic engagement. If they're not worried, why are we?

Bring the troops home. Close the bases. USA out of NATO.
Posted by Spike Grineng8188 2020-06-14 15:45||   2020-06-14 15:45|| Front Page Top

#12 /\ Hear, hear!
Posted by Clem 2020-06-14 15:57||   2020-06-14 15:57|| Front Page Top

#13 Tell the Germans to stay the fuck out of Poland and France or else we'll be back.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-06-14 16:05||   2020-06-14 16:05|| Front Page Top

#14 why should we discuss shit with Germany about pulling our own troops out?
Posted by Chris 2020-06-14 18:22||   2020-06-14 18:22|| Front Page Top

#15 Trump will have more flexibility in his 2nd term.
Late Evening Snark O'The Day
Posted by Klem Kadiddlehopper 2020-06-14 18:57||   2020-06-14 18:57|| Front Page Top

#16 Trump will have more flexibility in his 2nd term.

A late Snark of the Day!
Posted by SteveS 2020-06-14 19:17||   2020-06-14 19:17|| Front Page Top

#17 ^ Yep
Posted by Frank G 2020-06-14 19:32||   2020-06-14 19:32|| Front Page Top

#18 @ #11 - And let's not forget former chancellor Gerhard Schröder taking a job with Gazprom about 10 minutes after no longer being chancellor.
Posted by Clem 2020-06-14 20:07||   2020-06-14 20:07|| Front Page Top

#19 Baw się dobrze w Polsce. Ciesz się piwem.
Posted by European Conservative 2020-06-14 22:03||   2020-06-14 22:03|| Front Page Top

#20 Nie znam polskiego.
Posted by Clem 2020-06-14 22:54||   2020-06-14 22:54|| Front Page Top

#21 @ #19 - BTW, EC, Zywiec is no match for Augustiner Helles.
Posted by Clem 2020-06-14 23:09||   2020-06-14 23:09|| Front Page Top

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