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2020-05-25 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Coronaplague Roundup: Patients no longer infectious 11 days after getting sick though some still test positive


Wuhan lab admits to having 3 strains of bat coronavirus on-site
[Jpost] The lab's director, Wang Yanyi, said in an interview aired Saturday that the lab has “isolated and obtained some coronaviruses from bats” since 2004, AFP reported.

“Now we have three strains of live viruses… But their highest similarity to SARS-CoV-2 [the novel coronavirus, which causes COVID-19] only reaches 79.8%... It's an obvious difference.”

While it is commonly accepted among scientists that the coronavirus outbreak began in the Wuhan wet markets, where a wide range of live animals are sold and kept in close proximity, the Wuhan lab has been speculated by some to be a potential source.

Analysis of the first 41 COVID-19 patients in medical journal the Lancet found that 27 of them had direct exposure to the Wuhan wet market. But the same analysis found that the first known case of the illness did not.

Though biologists have confirmed that the virus was not man-made, theories have been floated that the virus may have accidentally escaped from the Wuhan lab, which had been studying bat-related coronaviruses. However, while the strains of bat coronavirus in the lab only reach 79.8% similarity, other strains of bat coronavirus found elsewhere in southern China have been observed to be up to 96.2% identical to the human SARS-CoV-2

According to Yanyi, the lab's scientists had never “encountered, researched or kept the virus” before receiving samples on December 30, after it had already spread throughout Wuhan.

Worldometers
Coronavirus Cases:
5,500,679
view by country
Deaths:
346,721
Recovered:
2,302,070

New York eases restrictions as virus deaths decline
[IsraelTimes] NY reports less than 100 fatalities for first time in weeks; beaches in much of state to open, gatherings of up to 10 people to be allowed, but no swimming.



COVID-19 Cases In Somalia Soar To 1,502
[RADIOSHABELLE] Somali Health Ministry on Tuesday confirmed 47 new cases of coronavirus (aka COVID19 or Chinese Plague)
...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men...
, bringing the total tally of infections to 1,502.

Fawziya Abikar, the Health Minister said the new patients are from the semi-autonomous region of Puntland
...a region in northeastern Somalia, centered on Garowe in the Nugaal province. Its leaders declared the territory an autonomous state in 1998. Puntland and the equally autonomous Somaliland seem to have avoided the clan rivalries and warlordism that have typified the rest of Somalia, which puts both places high on the list for Islamic subversion...
 which has 19, Banadir 13, Somaliland 8 and SouthWest 7.

Abikar said two patients succumbed to the deadly respiratory disease, bringing the total number of deaths since the pandemic was reported in the country to 59.

She said 15 people recovered from COVID-19, bringing the total number of people who have been discharged from hospitals to 178.

The minister said 42 of the latest cases are male while five others are female persons amid concern from the UN that the cases are largely due to community transmission.

The Horn of Africa nation joined the long list of countries dealing with COVID-19 on March 16, when the Health Ministry of Somalia announced the first confirmed case.
Posted by Fred 2020-05-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ]  Top

#1 India sees a record rise in coronavirus cases with 6,000 new infections amid fears it will become Asia's epicentre as Indonesia's death toll soars past 1,000 and Iran fears second wave
Posted by Skidmark 2020-05-25 00:29||   2020-05-25 00:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Coronaplague Roundup: Patients no longer infectious 11 days after getting sick though some still test positive

Now, what kind of an idiot can put his name on something like this?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-25 02:24||   2020-05-25 02:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Now, what kind of an idiot can put his name on something like this?

It is important to realize that the news and commentary we get from the media has been passed through the Journalism filter. Through a glass stupidly, if you will.

Don't recall where I saw it, so no link, but someone was discussing the fact that some recovered patients still had bits of virus particles in their systems - basically the viral wreckage from the immune system vs virus war. The bits are not infectious, but do show up on tests.
Posted by SteveS 2020-05-25 02:42||   2020-05-25 02:42|| Front Page Top

#4 #3 According to worldometers average incubation period 5 days. Cases of up to 27 days been reported. 11 days is 97.5% confidence interval for symptoms to appear
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-25 03:33||   2020-05-25 03:33|| Front Page Top

#5 speaking of worldometer, that site has the US yesterdays with 630 deaths, the fewest since March

however, it was a Sunday before a federal holiday and, as was pointed out on this site (I forgot by whom), the angel of death is a slacker on Sundays
Posted by lord garth 2020-05-25 06:51||   2020-05-25 06:51|| Front Page Top

#6 The Al Arabiya article in question:

Coronavirus patients not infectious after 11 days even if they test positive: Study

COVID-19 patients are no longer infectious after 11 days of getting sick even though some may still test positive, according to a new study by infectious disease experts in Singapore.

A positive test “does not equate to infectiousness or viable virus,” a joint research paper by Singapore’s National Centre for Infectious Diseases and the Academy of Medicine, Singapore said. The virus “could not be isolated or cultured after day 11 of illness.”

Visit our dedicated coronavirus site here for all the latest updates.

The paper was based on a study of 73 patents in the city-state.

The latest findings may have implications on the country’s patient discharge policy. The discharge criteria are currently based on negative test results rather than infectiousness.
Posted by trailing wife 2020-05-25 07:30||   2020-05-25 07:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Incidentally, how do you test if somebody is NOT infectious - put them in a closed room with a septuagenarian for an hour?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-25 08:04||   2020-05-25 08:04|| Front Page Top

#8 Just as with the Ebola scare, all sorts of medical assumptions are being tested for the first time. This link seen at Instapundit, for instance:

16% of recovered patients test positive for COVID-19 weeks after discharge: study. “Findings are based on small study in China, experts caution, so more research is needed.” Plus: “This might well happen with other viruses such as influenza, but no one has ever looked for it.”
Posted by trailing wife 2020-05-25 15:51||   2020-05-25 15:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Of course, there's another explanation - remember when Czechs (I think) announced that the test they bought from Chinese have 50% false positives?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-25 16:10||   2020-05-25 16:10|| Front Page Top

#10 There are two larger series from S. Korea and Germany of around 2K individuals. By 'not contagious' it was determined that the subjects were not symptomatic; No one around them was becoming sick; and most importantly the virus couldn't be cultured - the gold standard for identifying active viral particles. RT-PCR, the test used to identify COVID19 RNA in nasopharyngeal swabs looks for fragments of RNA, not the entire genome of an active virus. I suspect that portions of the viral RNA as well as fragments of other proteins are maintained on macrophages, dendritic cells and other T-cells to use for immune system identification should the virus reappear (cue the Rantburg bloodhound gagging over the dirty underwear proferred as a scent pic). If the RNA fragment fits what the PCR is looking for, then a positive test.
Posted by George Grumble1826  2020-05-25 19:40||   2020-05-25 19:40|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ Thx
Posted by Frank G 2020-05-25 20:12||   2020-05-25 20:12|| Front Page Top

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