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2020-01-18 -Short Attention Span Theater-
'I wouldn't go to war with you people. You're all LOSERS!' How Donald Trump insulted the military's most senior officers as 'dopes' prompting Rex Tillerson to call him a 'f***ing moron' is revealed in new book
In which the Daily Mail helps market A Very Stable Genius, written in high indignation by a pair of Washington Post reporters and set to appear in bookstores next week.
WaPo? I call Bullshit from the start
[Daily Mail, where America gets its news]
  • Dramatic details of how Donald Trump ranted against his most senior generals is revealed in new book

  • He spewed abuse at meeting chaired by Marine General Joe Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, saying: 'You're all losers'

  • Mattis organized the sit-down six months into the Trump administration because of mounting concerns he shared with Tillerson and Gary Cohn, then the chief economic adviser, about Trump's knowledge of history, and in particular post-war alliances.
  • Sitting beside combat veteran Dunford was his deputy Paul Selva, a four star air force general who flew transport aircraft

  • He accused one general who was not present - John Nicholson, in charge of combat in Afghanistan - of not knowing how to win

  • Book claims he could barely breathe as he vented with rage, demanding South Korea pay for U.S. military bases

  • Rex Tillerson, then Secretary of State, whose family included career officers, intervened to shut Trump down

  • He accused Trump of wanting to turn U.S. forces into mercenaries and said they don't join up 'to make a buck,' saying: They do it to protect our freedom.'

  • After Trump stormed out of the room Tillerson - the son of a combat veteran - turned to the group and called him a 'f***ing moron'
The president was reacting to a tailored tutorial his then officials - Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of the National Economic Council Gary Cohn, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson - arranged for him in room 2E924 of the Pentagon - know as 'The Tank.'

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Joseph F. Dunford Jr., was in the main seat, in front of a painting of Lincoln meeting with his generals Ulysses S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman and Rear Admiral David Dixon Porter.

Around the table were then deputy Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, the heads of the branches of the military and Vice President Mike Pence.
A strategy session apparently devoid of those who have actually been formulating the national strategy for decades.

It was very early in his first term. Sixteen years of failure very likely brought on a massive amount of frustration for Trump. He would soon learn that the military had little to do with actual outcomes in AFG and Iraq, or anywhere else for that matter.

The room was lined with other staff officers and White House aides. They included Sean Spicer, then press secretary, Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, and Reince Priebus, then chief of staff.

The sit-down took place six months into the Trump administration. Mattis organized it because of mounting concerns he shared with Tillerson and Gary Cohn, then the chief economic adviser, about Trump's knowledge of history, and in particular post-war alliances.
How insulting. And involving the entire staff, too. That’s not how to bring the boss up to speed. They’re lucky he didn’t fire them all on the spot.
It started with Mattis giving a presentation in front of a screen saying: 'The post-war international rules-based order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation.'

He railed against General John Nicholson, in charge of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, saying: 'I don't think he knows how to win.'

The general was not at the meeting and Dunford tried to defend him, saying they were following orders on how to leave Afghanistan.
They said that?? I’m surprised flames didn’t burst from President Trump’s eyes and roast them on the spot.
The authors say the participants 'felt sick to their stomachs' at the president's words. Tillerson later said he saw one female officer silently crying.
Great big soldier (etc. It’s a general category here) boys and girls got tummy aches from a little shouting? Quick, someone build them a safe room with colouring books, Playdough, and kittens!
He said of the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal, from which he would later withdraw the United States: 'It's the worst deal in history!'

Tillerson tried to talk to him about that. 'I don't want to hear it,' the president responded.

'They're cheating. They're building. We're getting out of it. I keep telling you, I keep giving you time, and you keep delaying me. I want out of it.'

Those at the meeting were astonished that Mike Pence did not intervene to stop Trump but instead sat there 'like a wax museum guy.'
They thought he should intervene on their side? But it was between the president and his staff — Vice President Pence was only in the room so that he’d be up to speed in case he was suddenly promoted.
Shortly after that the meeting ended.

After Trump left the room, Tillerson spoke up again: 'He's a f***ing moron,' he said of Trump.
Mr. Tillerson was CEO of ExxonMobile for eleven years. He knows you never, ever badmouth the boss in front of staff — and he was Secretary of State, not Defense, so they weren’t even his own staff. There is no excuse whatsoever for him deliberately undercutting the president of the United States..
In contrast Trump said tersely to reporters that the meeting was 'absolutely great' and when asked if he was going to make a decision on cutting troop numbers in Afghanistan brushed it off saying: 'You'll be hearing.'

Then he tweeted a video of himself and Pence shaking hands with members of the military in the Pentagon, with the audio cut to make way for 'I'm proud to be an American.' Mattis was only fleetingly visible.
Good Management 101: correct in private, praise in public.
Tillerson was to attack Trump again on the issue of foreign allies paying for U.S. military presence on their territory at a White House Situation Room meeting where Trump demanded money.

Tillerson stood up, turned his back on the president, and turned to uniformed officers and other staff to say how the country valued their service and knew 'they don't do it to make a buck.'

In March the following year, Tillerson was fired while he was on a diplomatic tour of Africa.
Posted by Skidmark 2020-01-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [15 views ]  Top

#1 These were Obama's General's who had to kiss Susan Rice's arse in order to get permission to p.
Posted by Varmint Splat1454 2020-01-18 01:07||   2020-01-18 01:07|| Front Page Top

#2 It started with Mattis giving a presentation in front of a screen saying: 'The post-war international rules-based order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation.'

? "Rules-based"? Really?

I think the good General needs to add a bit of Hobbes and Machiavelli, maybe also Morgenthau and Thucydides, to his reading list.

The order that prevailed from 1945 through 1992 was based on the balance of terror-- fear of a thermonuclear war between two global superpowers. No "rules" there. None needed.

The other dimension of that interstate system was almost constant proxy wars across the so-called Third World - wars which, "though not [always] recorded in any history book, were memorable enough for those who took part." Early a million of our and the Soviets' and our/their allies' soldiers died in those proxy wars.

So much for your "rules-based system."

Regarding the banking and trade institutions, it's true that these helped restore prosperity to Japan and Germany and western Europe, and also created wealthy new allies in South Korea, Taiwan and elsewhere.

But what did those "rule-based systems" do for the American people?

Most Americans are poorer today in almost every sense than they were not long ago-- thanks to that "rule-based system" whose rules are honored in the breach by cheaters in China and freeloaders elsewhere.

Whatever the merits of such a system in 1949, or even 1999, its utility TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE has long since expired.

Trump correctly called bullshit on this equivalent of dead stars in the outer reaches of the universe: an idea that appears to be alive but in fact has been dead and irrelevant for many years.

Unpleasant, sure. Nasty? Maybe. But long overdue. Time to stop believing in dead stars.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-18 01:16||   2020-01-18 01:16|| Front Page Top

#3 Trump isn't wrong about this.

The Western elites' collective masochistic nervous breakdown is very much also affecting military elites.

The issue isn't that we are losers, the issue is that we want to be losers.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-01-18 01:21||   2020-01-18 01:21|| Front Page Top

#4 New rules: China's going to learn to live with them. No more Global Grifter games.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-18 01:35||   2020-01-18 01:35|| Front Page Top

#5 He said of the 2015 Iranian nuclear deal, from which he would later withdraw the United States: 'It's the worst deal in history!'

'They're cheating. They're building. We're getting out of it. I keep telling you, I keep giving you time, and you keep delaying me. I want out of it.


Recent intelligence reporting appears to validate the Orange Man's 2017 assertion.


Posted by Besoeker 2020-01-18 02:30||   2020-01-18 02:30|| Front Page Top

#6 It started with Mattis giving a presentation in front of a screen saying: 'The post-war international rules-based order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation.'

The "greatest generation" should NOT be falsely credited with present-day strategies emanating from Langley, Virginia and Foggy Bottom.

Virtue signaling via proxy. A most unfortunate reference.

Posted by Besoeker 2020-01-18 02:47||   2020-01-18 02:47|| Front Page Top

#7 General Officers are a political class with standardized clothing. They can join the rest of the political ruling class in our judgement of the quality of our government.

When was the last time you read of a GO that quit in protest over the conduct of a political-military operation? /rhet question

yes, sir, yes, sir, three bags full sir.
Posted by Procopius2k 2020-01-18 03:08||   2020-01-18 03:08|| Front Page Top

#8 Wilsonian generals meet a Jacksonian president?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-01-18 04:03||   2020-01-18 04:03|| Front Page Top

#9 The postwar order worked. We won the Cold War.

That was 30 years ago. Since then it's been nothing but bad news for the American people. TPP would have handed over sovereignty to unelected judges. No. No. No.

No to globalism. I'm so sad that people like Mathis turned out to be globalists instead of on America's side. :(
Posted by Herb McCoy  2020-01-18 05:15||   2020-01-18 05:15|| Front Page Top

#10 They don't get that the public's respect for the military is for their hometown boys in uniform, not for these stuffed shirt types. Just as we could never build the Hoover dam today, these clowns couldn't pull off Seven Days in May, let alone win WW II
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-18 08:01||   2020-01-18 08:01|| Front Page Top

#11 And I guess only a select group recognizes the irony of "Mad Dog" running a PowerPoint presentation at the White House.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-01-18 08:03||   2020-01-18 08:03|| Front Page Top

#12 //www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/07/tillerson-trump-won-because-voters-disengaged-important-issues/
Dec 7, 2018Former secretary of state Rex Tillerson criticized Trump and his supporters during public remarks on Thursday night in Houston, Texas. "I will be honest with you, it troubles me that the American people seem to want to know so little about issues that they are satisfied with a 128 characters," Tillerson said, referencing Trump's prolific use of Twitter.
Posted by b 2020-01-18 08:17||   2020-01-18 08:17|| Front Page Top

#13 Like clockwork (every four months or so), we get a book or story about Trump blowing his stack and calling people names. That it comes from two WaPo 'reporters' gives it half a chance of being complete fiction, pulled out of their asses sideways and cleaned up for printing.
Posted by Raj 2020-01-18 08:38||   2020-01-18 08:38|| Front Page Top

#14 It's funny to read these characters' BS opinions and predictions re OrangeMan's foreign policy. The best way to see their stupidity is to line up several articles on the same topic over a few months-- or even, as in the case of Iran recently, over a couple of weeks.

Here's our premier long-form, smart-person's prestige media outlet, The Atlantic, opining on Trump in Seventeen Days in January:

Jan. 1 (Peter Beinart): OrangeMan is a dangerous fool who's about to get his are kicked! ["Trump Put Himself At Iran's Mercy: Donald Trump has picked a fight with Iran that he won't end and can't win. "]

Jan. 9 (Peter Nicholas): OrangeMan was lucky-- but his luck's about to run out! ["For now, President Donald Trump seems to have sidestepped an all-out war with Iran, opting instead for an uneasy standoff. The question is whether it will hold."]

Jan. 17 (Tom McTague): OrangeMan Wins! But it's not about him (he's still a bumbling fool)! ("Donald Trump Stumbles Into a Foreign-Policy Triumph. The president, however inadvertently, may be reminding the world of the reality of international relations.")
Posted by Lex 2020-01-18 08:59||   2020-01-18 08:59|| Front Page Top

#15 There is one precious quote by the only person in the Washington foreign policy establishment who's wise enough, and honest enough, to admit that Trump's disruptions are necessary and long overdue:

"Trump may be one of those figures in history who appears from time to time to mark the end of an era and to force it to give up its old pretences.” - H.A. Kissinger

"End of an era" -- yes, exactly. Historians will mark January 2017 as the beginning of a new era in world history. The old order is finished. Gone. Dead as a doornail.

"force it to give up..."-- again, spot on. There was no way the old guard (that includes Kissinger, of course) was going to give up its cozy triangle without being FORCED to do so-- if need be, by a reality-TV star with bad manners. Here's the triad they were (still are) clinging to:

- swampy government jobs that allow vast overreach but that incur zero accountability for massive foreign policy f--kups;

- lucrative post-government sinecures at US investment banks and corporates that have made trillions off of globalism, even as the American middle class shrank and Americans' longevity actually DECLINED;

- the endless circle jerk of think tanks, fawning media outlets, and self-congratulatory, ridiculous conferences like Davos and Aspen.

And also, we now know, a fourth leg of the stool: the ability to use the security services of the Deep State to trash the Constitution, spy on domestic opponents and overturn the results of OUR OWN elections.

In short, these incompetents have been trashing this country and lining their pockets for decades. This is what Kissinger meant with his coy phrase, "the pretenses of our era."

Pretentious bastards, indeed.
Posted by Lex 2020-01-18 09:12||   2020-01-18 09:12|| Front Page Top

#16 Re "rules-based":

The Iranian revolution fundamentally changed world politics precisely because the Iranian revolutionary regime has been openly violating the most basic rules of international conduct since 1979.

As a result Islam as a player in international politics was revived as the West's most formidable challenger. Western elites have acknowledged the moral precedence of Islamic doctrine over Western freedoms. Iran itself is a major player in international politics, it's political power being out of proportion compared to Iran's economic or conventional military abilities.

Violating the rules is a recipe for success, not failure.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2020-01-18 14:23||   2020-01-18 14:23|| Front Page Top

#17 So if I understand this correctly, it is beyond the pale for the Commander-in-Chief to call his subordinates on the carpet with harsh language; however, it is perfectly fine for a subordinate to dismiss the C-in-C as a "fucking moron" behind his back.

There really needs to be a chistka.

If Trump gets Swamped in the election, or ends up in prison after leaving office, he'll have no one but himself to blame if he fails to get ruthless with these people now.
Posted by charger 2020-01-18 14:47||   2020-01-18 14:47|| Front Page Top

#18 ...written in high indignation by a pair of Washington Post reporters and set to appear in bookstores next week.

WAPO? Does anymore really have to be said. WAPO ceased being a legit newspaper long ago. They don't live up to their slogan: “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” Of course, one might interpret this to mean that WAPO is promoting darkness and the death of democracy.

Posted by JohnQC 2020-01-18 15:21||   2020-01-18 15:21|| Front Page Top

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