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2019-11-05 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Ted Koppel: Despite verdict, Oberlin College President still ‘makes allusions to a pattern of racist behavior’ by Gibson’s Bakery

[LEGALINSURRECTION] What jumped out at me was the interview with Carmen Twillie Ambar, Oberlin College’s president, who took over after the events at issue. In the interview, Ambar repeated what has become a core part of Oberlin College’s post-trial public relations campaign, the suggestion that Gibson’s Bakery may actually have engaged in racial profiling. It was couched in the interview as a perception issue, that students and faculty had a perception — their own truth and lived experience — of racial profiling.

Koppel seemed genuinely surprised by Ambar’s statements as to perceptions:

KOPPEL: …. But to this day, the president of Oberlin makes allusions to a pattern of racist behavior, if not the specific incident that set things off three years ago.

AMBAR Well, the students pled guilty to the shoplifting. Um, there has been some debate about whether it was shoplifting or false ID.

KOPPEL: It was both.

AMBAR: Right. Well, I think that, that one of the things that the college has always said is that the college has not, doesn’t condone shoplifting, doesn’t condone bad behavior by its students in any way, shape or form. But what led up to the protest, and I think that’s sort of kind of the core issue here, was some series of things that happened before. Some perspectives about people’s experiences in the store.

KOPPEL: Tell me about, tell me about those then. And be specific. What specific incidents are you referring to that happened before?

AMBAR: Right, well, I think that the specific incidents would be, the perception by faculty and students and staff and other people in the town that there had been disparate treatment with respect to people of color in the store. The way I would phrase it, kind of different lived experiences.

DAVE O’BRIEN: This is all basically anecdotal evidence that people …

KOPPEL: Dave O’Brien covered the trials for the local paper, the Chronicle-Telegram

O’BRIEN: People commenting on a, on social media saying I had a, um, I, I felt, I felt uncomfortable in there. I felt like I was targeted because of the color of my skin.

There was no evidence presented in court supporting the claim of a long history of racial profiling, because no admissible evidence was offered.

Subjective feelings, perceptions, own truths, and lived experiences are not evidence supporting the truth of the matter asserted.

There was an interesting portion when Ambar clearly was uncomfortable, when Koppel pressed her as to what her reputation was worth:

KOPPEL: (Narration) What is a reputation worth? (Question to Ambar) You’re a very distinguished academic. What’s your reputation worth?

AMBAR: My reputation is important.

KOPPEL: It’s worth a lot, isn’t it? (Ambar shakes head Yes) I mean, if your reputation was destroyed overnight, you could hardly put a price on that could you.

AMBAR: Well, I certainly believe that reputations are important, but here’s what’s also true, and it’s the jury system that we have, right? And the legal system that we have. That we go through a legal process that makes that determination. And what the institution has said is that we believe that this determination was excessive.

Oberlin College still doesn’t get it.

Posted by Fred 2019-11-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 Um, there has been some debate about whether it was shoplifting or false ID.

Rule of thumb: if you run out of the store without paying and end up getting tackled by the store owner, it's probably shoplifting.

Posted by SteveS 2019-11-05 00:31|| 2019-11-05 00:31|| Front Page Top

#2 Moron. Liar. Slanderer.

Defamatory lie #1: "there had been disparate treatment with respect to people of color in the store ... kind of different lived experiences"

Bullshit. No evidence was produced at all. Nothing admitted at trial. No facts. Even when Oberlin asked one of their own staff members to go out and canvas black people in the town, she came back with the same conclusion as did a racially-mixed jury and as did a longtime african-american employee of Gibsons: these people are not racists and have never treated people differently based on race.

Lie #2: "it's not true that the college supported the demonstration [by Oberlin students and staff accusing the Gibsons of racism]"

You stupid f---ing liar. Your employee, the Dean of Students, was busted at trial for explicitly ENCOURAGING students to demonstrate, for actually distributing hate-filled flyers that defamed the Gibsons, and even reimbursing the student demonstrators for food and clothing--with university funds! All of this was admitted at court!

This lie of yours on national TV was so blatant, so foolish and disgusting, that the CBS News team demolished it by bringing in one of the jurors to state the facts and cutting to those facts immediately after your idiotic lies.

Blathering bullshit, on stilts: "Well, I certainly believe that reputations are important. But here's what's also true, and it's the jury system that we have, right? And the legal system that we have, that we go through a legal process that makes that determination. And what the institution has said is that we believe that this determination was excessive."

A jury of local residents, racially mixed, unanimously concluded that your institution not only defamed and tried to destroy a good family's reputation earned over five generations, but that your shitty institution actually tried to drive them out of business-- that you tortiously interfered in their business relationships-- and that you even tried to bully them into not prosecuting your student shoplifters who try to screw them daily.

This woman is not a "distinguished academic." She's yet another illiterate affirmative-action law grad, far out of her depth, and she's destroying the institution that she presides over.

And now this idiot and her retarded counsel are going to get socked with still more damages-- AND millions in new legal bills.

Idiots.

Posted by Lex 2019-11-05 02:27|| 2019-11-05 02:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Carmen Twillie Ambar, Oberlin College’s president

You can be born stupid, but to become a read moron you need an education.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-05 03:26|| 2019-11-05 03:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Carmen Twillie Ambar:

Posted by 3dc 2019-11-05 05:37|| 2019-11-05 05:37|| Front Page Top

#5 The idea that race card has limits, doesn't occur?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-11-05 05:39|| 2019-11-05 05:39|| Front Page Top

#6 This guy Armbar needs to be fired.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2019-11-05 06:09|| 2019-11-05 06:09|| Front Page Top

#7 That interview should be included in the Bakery's appeal to get the whole 400 million. It's obvious that the reduced amount hasn't taught them a lesson.

Posted by Silentbrick 2019-11-05 07:17|| 2019-11-05 07:17|| Front Page Top

#8 Ambar not only needs fired, she needs to be deported to Nigeria where she will see what real racism against her looks like.

Posted by DarthVader 2019-11-05 07:57|| 2019-11-05 07:57|| Front Page Top

#9 "This guy Armbar" and his colleagues and their lawyers are deranged, obsessed, nasty and vicious.

They are still-- three years in, $36m bond posted per court order, including over $6m in legal fees-- they are still trying to destroy this little family business that is beloved by the town and even the left-liberal Oberlin faculty and alums.

Having failed to destroy the Gibsons with high-proved lawfare, having suffered an extraordinary and righteous bitchslap in the form of a $44m defamation judgment ($11m compensatory IIRC, $33m punitive), these sociopaths are now indulging their hatred of an innocent family through both lawfare and media-assassination.

As with the Kavanaugh slander, as with the the Covington Catholic/Nick Sandmann slander, these shitty people are telling blatant lies to their fellow Shitshow clowns in the media.

Blatant lies which a jury and a judge and a lengthy, exhaustive legal process has determined were defamatory, malicious and despicable.

Blatant lies against a 92 year-old man whom their mob stalked at his home in the wee hours, causing this family patriarch to come outside, slip on his doorstep in the darkness and break his neck. He is the man quoted by CBS as saying that after a life of honest, decent service to his community, a life beyond reproach, he will now go to his grave branded forever as a filthy racist.

By these "distinguished academic[s]."

By this affirmative action law grad (Columbia) who doesn't even understand the most basic concepts underlying the rules of evidence, who can't distinguish between feelings and objective reality, who can't utter a coherent sentence.

These people are deranged. They're sociopaths.

They are obsessed, like Captain Ahab pursuing his great white whale, with finding and punishing witches labeled "white male" and Trumpian thought criminal" and "Russian agent."

They truly want to destroy us.

Thank god we still have laws against defamation and tortious interference. Thank god there are still a few journalists like Koppel, and many more African-American citizens, like this trial's jurors and witnesses, who remain committed to facts and logic. Who understand what a filthy and despicable act it is to bear false witness against one's neighbor.

But the forces against us-- entire institutions of academia like Oberlin and Columbia Law School (which admitted and graduated the idiot, Ambar's), legacy big media, the D.C. Establishment -- these forces are relentless and have vast resources and reach. Even Soros is in on the Oberlin smear: the Chair of the Oberlin board of trustees is a Soros hack named Chris Canavan.

Keep fighting, Gibsons.

I wish I could end here but, unbelievable as it is to say, this wretched story is actually even worse... this is such an awful display of human wickedness that it must be said: not only Grandpa Allyn Gibson is likely to go to his grave branded a racist by these despicable shits, but his son Dave Gibson will as well. Dave was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer during the trial and now has only a few months to live.

Oberlin's legal and media strategy, which involves continuing the smear of the Gibsons, has the effect of destroying the spotless reputations of two dying men and their entire legacy.

This disgraceful moron Ambar and her fellow shits are deliberately dragging this out via lawfare, refusing to settle, so that they can outlast two honest and decent fellow citizens -- their neighbors -- and send them to their graves as racists.

What despicable shits these people are. And they run an institution of higher learning. Vile.

Posted by Lex 2019-11-05 09:38|| 2019-11-05 09:38|| Front Page Top

#10 This guy Armbar needs to be fired.

I *almost* feel bad for laughing at that.

Posted by SteveS 2019-11-05 11:20|| 2019-11-05 11:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Comeon Lex, this is Rantburg! Tell us how you really feel.

Rant Of The Day for sure. Maybe even the week.

Posted by CrazyFool 2019-11-05 11:41|| 2019-11-05 11:41|| Front Page Top

#12 ^ yeah, I have a stake in this. Indirect but an important one.

Posted by Lex 2019-11-05 11:51|| 2019-11-05 11:51|| Front Page Top

#13 Well, it is a classic Rantburg broadside. Stump and all.

Posted by Dron66046 2019-11-05 11:58|| 2019-11-05 11:58|| Front Page Top

#14 You can't make a rational argument to people who are not interested in having a rational argument. All the proof (or lack of) was laid out in court. The college lost, bigtime. What they did was clearly wrong.

But they're not using rationality. They're using emotional arguments about *how it made them feel*. The blacks were busted for shoplifting the day after Trump was elected. The school was outraged and needed a scapegoat. The bakery would do.

Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-11-05 12:17|| 2019-11-05 12:17|| Front Page Top

#15 Don't Muslims say Allah Armbar, perhaps in reference to the fact that Allah was a pro wrestler in another life?

Posted by Zhang Fei 2019-11-05 14:19|| 2019-11-05 14:19|| Front Page Top

#16 Time to go to the judge and ask for damages SPECIFICALLY against this bint. Bankrupt her, maybe the example will shut up other college tyrants.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2019-11-05 19:52|| 2019-11-05 19:52|| Front Page Top

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