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2019-09-13 -Lurid Crime Tales-
A plea from an activist protecting children to remove Richard Stallman from Open Source software and affiliations
[M-Selam G] I’d like to add a Content Note: this piece contains mentions of child abuse, rape, and other upsetting topics. An appendix of additional information has also been added at the bottom.

I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work.

I’m writing this because at 11AM on Wednesday, September 11th 2019, my friend sent me an email that was sent to an MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) mailing list.

This email came from Richard Stallman, a prominent computer scientist.

In it, he’s responding to a female student’s email about this Facebook event, which calls for a protest by MIT students and affiliates regarding Jeffrey Epstein’s donation.

The announcement of the Friday event does an injustice to Marvin
Minsky:

“deceased AI ‘pioneer’ Marvin Minsky (who is accused of assaulting
one of Epstein’s victims [2])”

The injustice is in the word “assaulting”. The term “sexual assault”
is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation:
taking claims that someone did X and leading people to think of it as
Y, which is much worse than X.

The accusation quoted is a clear example of inflation. The reference
reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epstein’s harem.
(See https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed.)
Let’s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it).

The word “assaulting” presumes that he applied force or violence, in
some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing.
Only that they had sex.

We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that
she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was
being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her
to conceal that from most of his associates.

I’ve concluded from various examples of accusation inflation that it
is absolutely wrong to use the term “sexual assault” in an accusation.
Whatever conduct you want to criticize, you should describe it with a
specific term that avoids moral vagueness about the nature of the
criticism.

There are so many things wrong with what Richard Stallman said I hardly know where to begin. First, he didn’t even give the typical, whiney, ‘he’s accused but not convicted’ defense. No, Stallman went much further than that. Instead, Stallman said “Let’s assume that Marvin Minsky had sex with an underage girl who was a victim of child sex trafficking”…

The reference reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epstein’s harem…Let’s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it).

…and then he says that an enslaved child could, somehow, be “entirely willing”. Let’s also note that he called a group of child sex trafficking victims a ‘harem’, a terrible word choice.

We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that
she presented herself to him as entirely willing.

This is someone who is respected far and wide by the technology community.

This is someone who is a Visiting Scientist at MIT.


MIT claims it never wanted to elevate Epstein’s reputation by allowing him to donate. But, here they are, not only elevating but funding and endorsing a person like Richard Stallman as a visiting scientist.

What’s more, somehow Richard Stallman decided it was appropriate to email his opinion to an almost department-wide mailing list (“csail-related”) which had undergraduate students on it. In an email further down the thread, he also said,

“I think it is morally absurd to define “rape” in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17.”

in response to a student who said “Giuffre [the victim who testified] was 17 at the time, this makes it __rape__ [sic] in the virgin islands” .

Again, this mailing list has undergraduate students on it. It is likely some of them are “18 years old or 17”.

I was shocked. I continued talking to my friend, a female graduate student in CSAIL, about everything, trying to get the full email thread (I wasn’t on the mailing list). I even started emailing reporters — local and national, news sites, newspapers, radio stations. I couldn’t stop thinking about it. During my 45-minute drive home, when I normally listen to podcasts or music, I just sat in complete silence.

The only reporter who responded quickly was one from WBUR, and they didn’t seem to be in a rush to publish this information. So, I told my friends that I would just write a story myself. I’d planned to do it after work today; instead, because I can’t possibly focus, I’m working on it now.

MIT does not deserve its women.

The world does not deserve them either. I thought back to every person who has ever asked me how to “fix” the gender problems in STEM, how to “get more girls” to join STEM programs. I thought about every time that someone has suggested “men are better at spacial thinking” and that “testosterone is linked to better performance in math”.

In my mind I look at all these people, a crowd that is gathered. And in my mind, I stand up and I scream at them. I would put my hands around their shoulders and shake sense into all of them, individually, if I had enough time and enough hands

The problems are so obvious.

There is nothing wrong with women. There is nothing wrong with girls in STEM. There are many women and many girls who, in spite of everything, love STEM-related disciplines. Some of them even go through 4-year bachelors degrees at MIT, maybe even 7 years of a PhD, and then begin questioning whether they should continue in these fields, because they are filled to the brim with so, so many shitty men.

Jeffrey Epstein. Marvin Minsky.

Richard Stallman.

Travis Kalanick. James Damore. The laundry list of men in tech and academia who have continued this pattern of harassment, misogyny, and discrimination.
Richard Stallman was known to be problematic long before this. This is the door to his office:

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Posted by 3dc 2019-09-13 01:21|| || Front Page|| [17 views ]  Top

#1 how to “fix” the gender problems in STEM

Stop the affirmative action admissions/hiring and fire all the female "scientists" whose only qualification for the job is their plumbing.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-13 01:54||   2019-09-13 01:54|| Front Page Top

#2 This woman's slander of James Damore gives away the game.

Kalanick is a jerk. Stallman's comments are tone-deaf. Neither of these individuals belongs in the same category as Epstein.

But James Damore is s solid, upstanding individual who is a victim of illegal retaliation for a thoughtcrime.

Damore did nothing wrong and said nothing that was not supported by solid peer-reviewed research. See his interview with Jordan Peterson for details.

Ignore this woman's nonsense.

Posted by Lex 2019-09-13 02:07||   2019-09-13 02:07|| Front Page Top

#3 But remember The term “sexual assault”
is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-13 02:36||   2019-09-13 02:36|| Front Page Top

#4 What happened to just disagreeing with people? When did we start ruining lives because of it?
Posted by Herb McCoy  2019-09-13 10:40||   2019-09-13 10:40|| Front Page Top

#5 When did we start ruining lives because of it?

See: Richard Jewell
See: Ray Donovan
See: Lots of people who rubbed the Clintons the wrong way.
See: Lots of people who rubbed the Obamas the wrong way.
See: Anyone the media can use to get at someone they are after.

This is not a new phenomenon...
Posted by M. Murcek 2019-09-13 11:24||   2019-09-13 11:24|| Front Page Top

#6 Remove Stallman because he failed to parrot the approved opinion? That's f*&ked up.
Posted by Iblis 2019-09-13 12:10||   2019-09-13 12:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Selam G. MIT grad, robotics engineer

By the way babe, IMHO, if this unknown girl actually shagged Marvin Minsky, she contributed to the field of cybernetics and robotics more than a hundred affirmative action "engineers" like you.

p.s. I know not all like that. Some are pretty good. But I do recognize a jackal by its footprints.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-09-13 13:42||   2019-09-13 13:42|| Front Page Top

#8 but he supports Amnesty International. surely that counts for something
Posted by Bob Grorong1136 2019-09-13 14:20||   2019-09-13 14:20|| Front Page Top

#9 #4 See "the personal is the political"

See "Objectively fascist"

See the Communists, the Communards the Montagnards, etc, etc.
Posted by charger 2019-09-13 18:22||   2019-09-13 18:22|| Front Page Top

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