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2019-08-04 -Lurid Crime Tales-
El Paso shooting, day 2: suspect identified as 21-year-old, according to media reports
Pres. Trump to be blamed soon, possibly last evening.
Information as of midnight Saturday. The first reports of the massacre can be seen here.
[Independent] Suspect believed to have posted racist manifesto online before attack

The suspect in the El Paso shooting in which 20 people have been killed, has been named a young white man in his 20s – Patrick Crusius – and investigators are reportedly examining a racist online manifesto he is believed to have written.

As the nation reeled from the latest act of mass gun violence to destroy lives and stun communities, multiple reports said police officials had said the 21-year-old, detained after the incident in which more than 20 people were shot, came from the city Texas city of Alen, 650 miles to the west of El Paso.

Cell phone footage from the scene showed people running in fear from the Cielo Vista Mall, where a gunman entered a Walmart store armed with a rifle and opened fire.

A spokesman for the El Paso police department later said the operation was now becoming a murder investigation after a person had been taken into custody.

Sgt Robert Gomez said they did not believe any suspects were “outstanding”, but said the situation was fluid.

“This is unprecedented in El Paso,” said Mr Gomez said.

The “manifesto” said to have been written by the suspect claimed the attack was a response to the “Hispanic invasion of Texas”. It refers to the so-called “Great Replacement”, a white supremacist conspiracy theory that claims people of European descent are being overwhelmed.

“Even if other non-immigrant targets would have a greater impact, I can’t bring myself to kill my fellow Americans,” it reportedly said. “In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades.”

It also voiced support for the suspect in the Christchurch mosque shootings, in which 51 people were killed in two consecutive attacks in March. It also said automation was people taking people’s jobs and that immigration ought to be ended.

CNN said that Facebook was working with police in the aftermath of the shooting to remove a Facebook and Instagram account associated with the suspect.

“Our thoughts are with the victims and their families,” the company said in a statement. “Content that praises, supports or represents the shooting or anyone responsible violates our community standards and we will continue to remove as soon as we identify it.”

Texas attorney general Ken Paxton said there were at least 15 fatalities and that the number could be higher. “You know that number keeps changing. I hate to pin down a certain number, but I think it was definitely a large number,” he said.

Asked about the motivate and reports of a manifesto, Mr Paxton said he was not surprised if that was true. It said he was currently being questioned by officers.

“That would perhaps why he did this,” he said.

The manifesto said the plan to launch the attack pre-dated the election of Donald Trump.

“I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric,” it said. “The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.”
Posted by Besoeker 2019-08-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 Texas city of Alen, 650 miles to the west of El Paso.
Corrections to the story:
Alen should be Allen
650 miles to the west of El Paso should read 650 miles to the EAST of El Paso
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-08-04 00:51||   2019-08-04 00:51|| Front Page Top

#2 The Hill - O'Rourke: Trump is a 'racist,' responsible for El Paso shooting
Posted by Besoeker 2019-08-04 01:34||   2019-08-04 01:34|| Front Page Top

#3 The Hill - George P. Bush denounces 'white terrorism' after El Paso shooting
Posted by Besoeker 2019-08-04 01:37||   2019-08-04 01:37|| Front Page Top

#4 His name is Francis O'Rourke. O'Rourke is Irish, Francis is French, the name he wants to be called is Beto which is Spanish meaning "Gift of God" used by Latinos, which by the way Francis is not a Latino.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-08-04 01:51||   2019-08-04 01:51|| Front Page Top

#5 I have to say that if it is racially motivated by a white person against other nonwhite races it is white supremacist terrorism, not white terrorism.
Posted by Phaick Uneretle6310 2019-08-04 01:54||   2019-08-04 01:54|| Front Page Top

#6 At least 10 dead in Dayton, Ohio shooting.

Whoops! I’m so sorry, Varmint Splat1454 — I accidentally deleted your next comment at 4:29 a.m. EDT, which did not deserve it. Please repost.

—trailing wife at 11:10 a.m. EDT
Posted by Varmint Splat1454 2019-08-04 04:16||   2019-08-04 04:16|| Front Page Top

#7 Looking at articles on both, it mentions in both El Paso and Dayton, the shooters wearing ear muffs. Given that NO mass shooter prior to this was found to be wearing them, it's a really odd coincidence if they are not linked somehow.

Also, I've read that the manifesto might not actually have been posted by the shooter as well. First sniff says to me this might be a lefty cell running false flag operation. Still inside 48 hours so it's only a theory but this whole thing stinks of SOME kind of setup.
Posted by Silentbrick 2019-08-04 05:08||   2019-08-04 05:08|| Front Page Top

#8 It's a really weird Manifesto. I mean REALLY weird. Claims not to be racist, that killing non-white americans is wrong, and that we need to seperate the "races" for genetic diversity. Also seems to say he's had these views well before Trump. It's just... BIZARRE. We won't have anything definitive until Monday most likely.
Posted by Charles 2019-08-04 06:26||   2019-08-04 06:26|| Front Page Top

#9 “This is unprecedented in El Paso,” said Mr Gomez said.

Juarez
Another place another government has lost control because it is compromised and corrupted by money/power.
Posted by Procopius2k 2019-08-04 07:43||   2019-08-04 07:43|| Front Page Top

#10 We won't have anything definitive until Monday most likely.

Yes, like the Las Vegas thing, it will all become perfectly clear in just a few days.

/cynic
Posted by M. Murcek 2019-08-04 09:34||   2019-08-04 09:34|| Front Page Top

#11 #8 Looking at articles on both, it mentions in both El Paso and Dayton, the shooters wearing ear muffs. Given that NO mass shooter prior to this was found to be wearing them, it's a really odd coincidence if they are not linked somehow.

That is weird. The shooters don't want to damage their hearing but they are O.K. with getting killed or nabbed and getting the death penalty?
Posted by JohnQC 2019-08-04 10:58||   2019-08-04 10:58|| Front Page Top

#12 I could see this being provoked by the left more than the right. The left would get a four-fer: everyone will be calling for gun control, sympathy for illegals (open-border advocates), Trump will be blamed, and it is a distraction from many things that will be coming that affect the Dems (declass, Epstein, wide-spread corruption previous admin., phony RussiaGate, IG report...). How would the right benefit?
Posted by JohnQC 2019-08-04 11:07||   2019-08-04 11:07|| Front Page Top

#13 Heavy.com: Five Fast Facts about Patrick Crusius

Key info:

  • the article has a photo of the shooter standing quietly while police handcuff him. He appears pale-skinned, and is dressed in a baggy black t-shirt and baggier tan slacks.

  • the manifesto was circulating on 8chan before the shooting. police are not claiming that the shooter wrote it. Charles and Silentbrick are clearly not he only ones to find it suspiciously convenient.

  • the shooter has been a loner much of his life, and was terribly bullied at school in Plano, a suburb of Dallas.

  • he reportedly told the police he wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible.


    • Posted by trailing wife 2019-08-04 11:28||   2019-08-04 11:28|| Front Page Top

    #14 The manifesto did have the usual alarmist democrat tells, like climate panic and wealth distribution themes. I think he thought he was apolitical, while severely influenced by current socialist dogma.
    Posted by Dron66046 2019-08-04 13:00||   2019-08-04 13:00|| Front Page Top

    #15 No worries TW.

    Was 3 AM CT when the Dayton massacre was breaking across the WWW and initial reports were his weapon was taken from him and whoever took it turned it on him and took him out with his own weapon per one of the first breaking sources. That was my follow up above.
    Posted by Varmint Splat1454 2019-08-04 14:37||   2019-08-04 14:37|| Front Page Top

    #16 Possibilities re earmuffs:
    1) Makes it easier to hear the voices;
    2) Suppresses icky, distracting screaming and stuff;
    3) Preserves hearing for the siege, negotiation, gettin'-on-TV, courtroom speechifying, and rescued-to-lead-the-revolution parts of the programme. Just in case. These guys are big planners, right?
    Posted by Spanky Shairong2345 2019-08-04 22:22||   2019-08-04 22:22|| Front Page Top

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