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2019-05-31 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
The Terrible Case For Staying In Syria
The co-authors of this piece are policy wonks who spent time at the libertarian Cato Institute. From the About for War on the Rocks:
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[WarOnTheRocks] President Donald Trump was right to want to pull U.S. troops out of Syria and should not have let his advisers overrule him. The rationales the administration gives for keeping U.S. forces in Syria are impossibly ambitious, and vehicles for escalation. Elements of the administration, starting with John Bolton, the national security adviser, seem eager to use U.S. forces in Syria and Iraq as bait for a war with Iran.

We have occasionally hoped that Congress might bestir itself to vote on the U.S. war in Syria, or even end it. Instead, its members mostly criticized the possibility of withdrawal, avoided any vote on the war, and now have sponsored an expert report setting out an extravagant set of missions for the small U.S. force remaining there.
They won't be able to accomplish these missions, so naturally the troop presence must be vastly increased. Another Vietnam, here we come!

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Last December, when Trump suddenly announced the withdrawal of all 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria and declared ISIL militarily defeated, foreign policy pundits across the political spectrum were appalled. The nation’s major op-ed pages wailed. With a few exceptions, most of whom are running for president, the Senate overcame its partisan divide to condemn the withdrawal of troops. Trump’s own secretary of defense, Jim Mattis, and his special envoy to the "Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS," Brett McGurk, resigned in protest over the decision.

The criticisms worked. Trump partly reversed his decision in February, agreeing to keep 400 U.S. troops in Syria (probably with an equal or larger number of covert forces). The official rationale for keeping this small contingent was not debated ‐ largely because Congress never voted on authorizing the war, and never made the administration explain its thinking in hearings. It looks increasingly likely that one-term or two, the Trump administration will end with U.S. troops still present in Syria.

Instead of oversight, Congress chose to make its own case for staying. It established a 12-member panel, the Syria Study Group, which released an interim report May 1. That report offers extravagant objectives, fanciful initiatives, and a full-throated case against leaving Syria anytime soon. This week, 400 of the nation’s 535 legislators signed a letter essentially advancing the report’s logic.

The Study Group report shifts from seeking ISIL’s military defeat to its "enduring defeat," a phrase pioneered by James Jeffrey, the administration’s special representative for Syria engagement. That defeat, the report argues, can only emerge once there is "inclusive, responsive, and legitimate governance in the areas it once controlled." "Reconstruction," we learn, "will take decades."
Profit, we learn, will last for decades for our military-industrial complex. You know the country that needs the most nation-building? Our own. Somehow we have trillions to spend on endless wars that don't involve us. It is a vital national interest to secure the borders of other nations, but we cannot secure our own.
The report contends that the United States has "key national security interests at stake" in Syria, including defending the "rules-based international order," somehow. The report outlines five missions for the U.S. military to pursue in Syria: training and assisting forces fighting ISIL; direct-action counter-terrorism; "enabling civilian-led stabilization efforts;" helping the resistance Syrian Democratic Forces handle ISIL prisoners;
That would be the Kurds, who have sacrificed lives and fortunes to defeat the rampaging hordes of ISIS beyond their home territories in Syria, and to rescue and succor those held captive, pretty much on their own dime. Shall we walk away from them now, leaving them to the tender mercies of Erdogan’s Turkey, which has been waging war on its own and Iraq’s civilian Kurds for years?
and serving "as the enabling platform" for the anti-ISIL campaign.
I'm sure this has a lot of murdering innocents in it. All they have to do is declare them human shields and that makes it OK for us to kill them.
Erdogan isn’t interested in whether or not they are shielding anything. His is more the “nits make lice” philosophy, and he is determined to remove the Kurds as future competitors for the Turkish homeland. Killing civilians in numbers is an easier and more effective route to reducing the Kurdish population, and therefore the threat.
If one were writing a recipe for keeping troops in Syria as long as possible, this would be hard to beat. It reads like a throwback to the heady days during which eating soup with a knife was going to fix Iraq and Afghanistan ‐ only with exponentially fewer troops to eat it.

The aims set out in the report would be impossible to achieve even with a far larger force, which would be bad news if they had any relation to U.S. security interests. First, while the United States may aid multilateral efforts at Syria’s reconstruction, military forces on the ground are not required to do so. "Civilian-led stabilization" is ultimately the job of the Syrian government, like it or not, and there is no reason U.S. forces should be engaged in competitive governance in Syria. Likewise, managing ISIL prisoners is not something the small U.S. force in Syria is equipped or legally able to do.

As to the anti-ISIL campaign itself, the group holds none ‐ zero ‐ of the territory it held at the height of its vaunted caliphate. That is a real defeat that undercuts its ability to plot violence, recruit, and inspire attacks. The persistence of ISIL’s ideology inside Syria is no reason for staying. Experience says that occupying U.S. troops cannot extinguish those ideas, and might encourage them.

The best counter-terrorism solution in Syria is to let the Assad regime, which has all but won the civil war, do the job of governing its territory against ISIL. The Kurds can help, especially if the United States lets them cut a deal with Assad, rather than blocking it as Jeffrey has reportedly been doing, apparently in the quixotic hope that they will join the Turks to oppose Assad.

The Syria Study Group report also wants U.S. forces in Syria to "maintain pressure" on Iran, and in a vaguer way, Russia. This makes little sense. Assad invited Iranian and Russian forces to Syria to help him win the civil war. They are not likely to leave unless he asks them to ‐ and perhaps not even if he does ‐ but they cannot be evicted by a few hundred U.S. troops.

The U.S. troops in Syria seem more like bait for Iranian forces than their evictor. They resemble Pleiku, the U.S. base in South Vietnam which the Viet Cong attacked, allowing Lyndon Johnson’s administration to escalate the war. Syria, everyone knows, is lousy with Iranian-linked forces. Given the enmity between the two countries, tossing this mission into the Trump administration’s twitchy palms is reckless in the extreme. We should remove forces from Syria to lower the chances of war with Iran, not keep them there to spark one.
Amen.
Iran’s plan is to build nuclear bombs with which to control the world and force it to submit. The missiles on which those bombs can be fitted can already reach as far as India, Egypt, and well into Europe. (See here for a pretty map.) How far they could reach from Hezbollah/IRGC bases in Central and South America is left as an exercise for the student. Any American forces in Syria don’t really weigh in the balance, compared to that. So our choices are either full out war with Iran to replace the rulers capable of planning such things, or destruction of their nuclear sites as discovered by the Israelis following that warehouse raid not long ago. Or would you prefer pulling back to wait until the missiles fly because we don’t want another war, Mr. McCoy?
More broadly, there is no windfall to be had for Iran or Russia in Syria beyond helping wind down a sectarian civil war ‐ a grim payoff in the best scenario. Contrary to the report’s reasoning, helping to govern impoverished territory riven by sectarian violence cannot propel a state to regional dominance or global gains.

Instead of empaneling a group of experts to help oppose the president’s policy, Congress should have taken a vote on whether the United States should be at war in Syria at all. ISIL did not exist when the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force was passed, and it takes an ambitious lawyer’s leap of logic to include a group that didn’t exist in that authorization. Nor does international law justify the U.S. troop presence, as occupying Syria has not been authorized by the United Nations Security Council or invited by the barbarous regime in Damascus. If Congress wants U.S. troops in Syria ‐ and based on the Syria Study Group and its actions, it seems to ‐ senators and representatives should have the courage of their convictions and take a vote, hold hearings, explain their reasoning and take responsibility for the outcome.

Perhaps the best one can say of the administration and the legislature is that they have finally found a way to work together: in ensuring that U.S. troops stay in Syria for the foreseeable future, with a mission far beyond their reach, in pursuit of goals unrelated to U.S. national security.
Posted by  Herb McCoy 2019-05-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11140 views ]  Top

#1 Many (hopefully most) Americans want nothing to do with Syria, or the greater ME for that matter. But "we" will soldier on nonetheless...
Posted by M. Murcek 2019-05-31 02:20||   2019-05-31 02:20|| Front Page Top

#2 "Iran’s plan is to build nuclear bombs with which to control the world and force it to submit."

That's remarkable. How do you know this? Can you read minds? Can you tell me what I had for breakfast?

Libya got rid of its nuclear program at Western request and look what happened to it. As soon as it was verified to be disarmed, it was destroyed. Now, literal slave markets exist. Way to go, good job! War is always the answer!
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-05-31 02:43||   2019-05-31 02:43|| Front Page Top

#3 The problem is that those who abandon their friends when tired of them soon have no more friends. Trump so far has not done that,
The key question is, if he abandons the Kurds and or the Saudis, will Kim or any sane Iranis trust him enough to make any concessions?
The Turks do have a long term problem. Kurds are having more children than other Turks, and will eventually become a majority in Turkey. Putin has a similar problem with Moslems in Russia. The Western Europeans have been seeking the same problem for reasons not very clear.
Their problem is that their native populations have turned against parenting, and they want enough new people to occupy their real estate.
We are in uncharted times.
Posted by Daniel 2019-05-31 02:46||   2019-05-31 02:46|| Front Page Top

#4 Hey Herb. Did someone say what you quote here? I sure don't know if that is ture, but I also don't know if it is false. Do you? If so, how do you know it? Do you read minds?
My recollection is that our strange and irrational behavior in Libya was done by the very same people who withdrew us from Iraq, which led to the horrors of ISIS.
They managed to make everyone treat us with disdain.
I wish you would tell us, with your insight, what exactly they were aiming for.
Posted by Daniel 2019-05-31 03:03||   2019-05-31 03:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Hey Herb. Did someone say what you quote here?

Re: Iran’s plan is to build nuclear bombs with which to control the world and force it to submit.

Mr. McCoy is quoting my in-line comment on the Page 49’d portion of the ery long article, Daniel. As to how I know, the Mad Mullahs have been proclaiming their plans at the start of every military parade since 1980. But even if they hadn’t, let us contemplate what it is that jihadis are required by Allah and the Prophet Mohamed’s perfect example to do, and compare to Iran’s actions in the intervening period, which I will address when I’m not falling asleep — though there are others here who can lay it all out considerably better than I. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2019-05-31 03:31||   2019-05-31 03:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Can you tell me what I had for breakfast?

A dick with sauce?
Posted by Skidmark 2019-05-31 04:51||   2019-05-31 04:51|| Front Page Top

#7 Ooh, the ad hominem insult! That's always a winning argument! How creative, too!

Accusing Iran of world conquest? I mean, come on. This is pure psychological projection. When you're guilty of something, you constantly accuse others of doing the same. It's like the person who accuses others of wanting to eat dicks - those are very likely his own unacceptable thoughts, and to get rid of them he's got to project them on others.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-05-31 09:53||   2019-05-31 09:53|| Front Page Top

#8 What - no Gulf of Tonkin reference?
Posted by Raj 2019-05-31 10:17||   2019-05-31 10:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Libya dropped its nuke and chem program when Ghaddafi saw his brother Lion of Islam dragged out of a reeking hole in the ground. It wasn't because the West asked nicely.
Posted by Richard Aubrey 2019-05-31 10:17||   2019-05-31 10:17|| Front Page Top

#10 Accusing Iran of world conquest? I mean, come on. This is pure psychological projection.

While I have not personally received a hand-written declaration on the Ayatollah's offical stationary, I tend to give this a high probability of being true based on what the Ayatollahs have said in the past, the tenets of Islam, and the fact that Iran is an Islamic theocracy.
Posted by SteveS 2019-05-31 11:36||   2019-05-31 11:36|| Front Page Top

#11 Huh, no denial.
Posted by Skidmark 2019-05-31 11:51||   2019-05-31 11:51|| Front Page Top

#12 You people actually think that Iran wants to conquer the entire world??

Even Cyrus the Great only got as far as Egypt and Asia Minor. Jesus. I can't believe educated adults really think that Iran wants to conquer America, like an actual invasion with landing craft and everything. And we need to declare war on them right now, by false flag if necessary, in order to avert this horrible fate.
Posted by Herb McCoy 2019-05-31 13:55||   2019-05-31 13:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Accusing Iran of world conquest? I mean, come on. This is pure psychological projection. When you're guilty of something

You accuse me of wanting to conquer the world, Mr. McCoy?

Seriously?

What would I do with it? I’ve been to other parts of the world. Many of them I wouldn’t want to live in even as an expat spouse — shopping followed by tea on the veranda while native nursemaids take care of the children, native housemaids take care of the cleaning, and the native cook takes care of meals palls within a week. Let them rule themselves, and as long as they don’t feed jihadis at their breasts, I don’t care.

Go read Rantburg’s archives, Herb. Start on 9/11 and work your way forward to today. Then you'll have a better understanding of what the Mad Mullahs want, and how they think they’ll accomplish it much more cleverly than by open invasion.
Posted by trailing wife 2019-05-31 15:16||   2019-05-31 15:16|| Front Page Top

#14  I can't believe educated adults really think that Iran wants to conquer America, like an actual invasion with landing craft and everything.

Now you are changing definitions in mid-stream. And being a bit silly, IMHO.

War comes in many flavors, from the balls-to-the-wall peer-to-peer industrialized warfare we saw in WWII to the various low-level insurgencies we see around the globe. No one is arguing that Iran is preparing to invade CONUS or even Andalusia - sorry, I mean Spain, which was once a Muslim province. But we have been in a state of war with Iran since 1979. Or 1983 if you count the Marine barracks in Beirut. No coastal invasions, but continuing attacks on our facilities and interests around the world.

The recent shipping attacks may be a false flag, but more likely it's just the Iranians fucking with the Saudis. And it may not have been the Iranians directly, but one of their proxies. That's how it is done nowadays. Deniability and all that. At one time this would be important, but with the rise of America as a producer, the Straits of Hormuz isn't the big deal it used to be - at least as far as we're concerned.

You may be concerned that Bolton or one of our little pit bulls is barking up a storm. But without a stick, or threat of a stick, there is no carrot. Prediction: you will never see American boots on the ground in Iran. There is no reason for it. But that doesn't mean we won't bomb the crap out of some of their facilities. Does the name Gaddafi ring a bell? Assuming the Israelis don't beat us to the punch.

Like the man said, you may not be interesting in war but war is interested in you. The only questions are whether you acknowledge it and what you intend to do about it. Do you think an Iran with nukes wouldn't pass them along to one of their proxies?
Posted by SteveS 2019-05-31 15:56||   2019-05-31 15:56|| Front Page Top

#15 Do Houthis, Hezb's, South American Drug Gangs, etc wear IRGC uniforms? No you disingenuous POS. Do they further Iranian hegemony (you recognize that term?)? Yes. FOAD
Posted by Frank G 2019-05-31 18:59||   2019-05-31 18:59|| Front Page Top

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