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2018-02-24 -Land of the Free
The answer to the problem of gun violence cannot just be “more guns.”
[WashingtonPost] National Rifle Association Vice President Wayne LaPierre says people who want stronger gun control after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. — apparently including the students who survived there — “don’t care about our schoolchildren. They want to make all of us less free!”

By LaPierre’s account, Florida — with some of the loosest gun laws in the nation — ought to be one of the freest states in the nation. Try telling that to the students in Parkland. Try telling that to the families of victims, whose freedom was robbed last week in gruesome fashion. Try telling that to the survivors of the Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando in 2016, where 49 people were killed — or the survivors of the shooting at Fort Lauderdale airport in January 2017, where five were killed and 36 injured in the mayhem. How free do they feel in a society where such events happen regularly and lawmakers do nothing to prevent them?
The law is a terrible instrument to prevent anything, especially evil. Law is primarily custodial in nature. When the law ceases to be custodial and becomes preventative, you will have tyranny.
Now the NRA and its allies are saying we need to arm teachers and staff in our schools, instead of doing something that might make it harder to get guns, like closing the legal loophole in Florida and most other states that lets anyone buy a weapon in a private sale without any background check.
Called universal background checks. The author is suggesting what didn't work in keeping a firearm away from a bad guy will work if it is applied to all gun purchases. As I recall, the young man bought the rifle, as well as a variety of other firearms, legally through the federal transfer system. Applying that to all purchases will likely work as well as it did with the young man.
If a coach at the high school had been armed, President Trump said Thursday, he could have stopped the gunman in his tracks. Trump questioned the policy of designating schools “gun free zones” because this advertises to a “sicko shooter” that schools are soft targets. If teachers and staff are armed, the president says, this will deter prospective shooters. This is plainly false: There was an armed guard at the Parkland school, but he didn’t even attempt to confront the killer. For that matter, there was an armed guard at Columbine High School during the first mass school shooting to capture national attention in 1999. He was no match for the shooters’ firepower — four weapons, including a semiautomatic firearm.
The point is that with an armed individual, whether there in an official capacity or privately, the chances of stopping a shooting increases. The author wants to paint everyone else with the same broad brush as the killer, and apply a draconian law in the false notion that it will reduce the likelyhood of shootings.
What kind of firepower, what show of defense, would credibly deter shooters?
It only takes one well placed shot to stop a shooter.
And what transformation does this risk inflicting on our schools? If we outfit teachers with concealed handguns, will the NRA say after the next shooting that school officials must match the firepower of would-be killers? Are we morally required to stock schools with AR-15s?
You'll have to decide that for yourself. My main point is that with enough armed individuals at school, your chances of preventing, not to mention stopping a shooting increases.
After the Sandy Hook school shooting, NRA minion Louie Gohmert said he wished the principal “had an M-4 [semiautomatic rifle] in her office” so she could have stopped the shooter in his tracks. Is this soon to become part of the common visit to the principal’s office — gazing up at the semiautomatic rifle mounted on the wall, over the desk?
If the teacher is smart, the rifle will be out of sight, leaned against something, barrel down, a round chambered, and ready to rock.
Of course, as many have noted, arming teachers is no solution to mass shootings. They will hardly make such situations better — they will probably make them worse by compounding the damage and bloodshed. Even trained police officers have a hard time using their weapons precisely, much less effectively, in chaotic situations.
Thank you. Better to have someone there with the training, and most of all, the will to use a firearm in such situations. Cops don't always meet that standard, but a cop is better than no one.
So perhaps LaPierre’s solution is to deliver school shootouts, where students must cower in the crossfire between criminals and teachers. If so, enterprising companies — often in the defense industry, accustomed to outfitting our soldiers for foreign campaigns — are ready with products designed to protect students from said shootouts. These include bulletproof backpacks for the kids and bulletproof whiteboards and clipboards for teachers. Or bulletproof blankets that students can pull over themselves — even bulletproof armor that can be pulled off the walls and ceilings. These are school expenses I am sure the NRA would happily endorse.
Those are passive measures, helpful to be sure, but not a solution to a kinetic situation.
But what will our schools look like when we are done? What will our schools feel like? Is this where we are to train and nurture a free society, in the midst of assault rifles and bulletproof armor?
Right now schools are target rich environments. That doesn't change, but for a few shooters dedicated to returning the gunfire of a Bad Guy.
Those things signify and communicate something quite other than freedom. They impose an environment of fear, which can be debilitating to our youth, whom we should want to be confident, open, honest and happy. These are not the kinds of things you see in a free society, but a society at war. How bizarre is it that we would willfully take on the trappings of a society at war, while countless nations around the world — embroiled in real, live civil wars — envy our peace?
You just destroyed your own argument. Surprised the editors didn't catch that.
Editors are expensive, so news organizations have been trading them in for spell check programs.
This is madness, of course. The NRA’s logic dictates that we should make our schools look like war zones to accommodate unfettered gun rights.

Rather than imposing a bunker mentality on our youth, how about trying the basics of gun control? We already have gun control.
You just want to increase it with more laws added to the 20,000 laws that already don't work.
Because right now, there is little of that, especially in Florida. In addition to forgoing universal background checks on gun sales, Florida is the laboratory of “stand your ground” laws, which permit gun owners to shoot people they deem threatening. Of course, the nature of “threat” is highly subjective, and predictably, many innocent people have been needlessly killed, thanks to this reckless law. Florida also imposes a gag rule on doctors forbidding them from discussing gun safety with patients who have a gun in the home. In this case, Florida decided that the Second Amendment should overrule the First.
Puleez. Discussions with a patient are not a part of free speech.
And Florida lawmakers have been eager to follow the lead of 11 other states that have recently legalized “permitless carry,” whereby gun owners can carry a gun in public with no permit — or safety training.
I would say the vast majority of gun owners already have safety training, or can get it on their own. Florida is crawling with tactical firearms instructors.
Are people finally waking up to our outrageous gun laws? Is this what we are seeing now, with Stoneman Douglas High students storming their state capital, flooding lawmakers with loud, impassioned demands for action?
We are seeing gun control activists and Democrats manipulating youth for their own ends.
Do the youth understand better what their elders ignore?
No.
Is this why they are staging school protests across the nation, walking out of class? Because they see the nation that the NRA wants them to inherit, and they know it is absurd, chilling, apocalyptic?
If they were smart, they first would not allow the left to use them like a condom.
The NRA, and the gun rights movement more broadly, is fragile, weak, ripe for defeat. While there are 270 million guns in America, ownership is shockingly concentrated: half the guns are owned by 3 percent of gun owners. Gun ownership drops precipitously among younger people, with no sign of a rebound — certainly not after the Parkland shooting, as teens recoil at the NRA’s vision for America.
That's new firearms, sweetie. You have no clue as to privately acquired firearms.
What’s more, the NRA represents a tiny minority of voters, and only a minority of gun owners. It has prevailed against the majority of Americans who favor stronger gun control laws — 90 percent of whom want universal background checks, for example — by persuading or threatening lawmakers to heed its will, over and against their constituents. This worked fine so long as voters did not prioritize gun control and ignored the outrageous laws around them. But now things might change. For the NRA, the game is almost up. It’s long past time.
Posted by badanov 2018-02-24 00:00|| || Front Page|| [9 views ]  Top

#1 Yes it can.
Posted by newc 2018-02-24 00:11||   2018-02-24 00:11|| Front Page Top

#2 The answer to the problem of gun violence cannot just be “more guns.”

Right. The answer is more law abiding, caring citizens equipped with guns and trained in their use.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2018-02-24 05:03||   2018-02-24 05:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Is this soon to become part of the common visit to the principal’s office — gazing up at the semiautomatic rifle mounted on the wall, over the desk?

And the head of one incoming freshman class chosen by lottery. Technically, two students are drawn and they fight to the death on the football field. Winner wears a scarlet letter, loser gets mounted. Oh, also a water buffalo, felled by spear.

Actually, there are some really neat gun safes out there, some with rft unlock for quick access. Make it look like a bookshelf, gun grabbers and bad guys won't go near it.
Posted by swksvolFF 2018-02-24 10:01||   2018-02-24 10:01|| Front Page Top

#4 Oh, yeah, tell that to DoD every time they submit a new budget request. Just because the Russkies and Chinese are upping their spending doesn't mean we have to. Right? /s
Posted by Procopius2k 2018-02-24 12:23||   2018-02-24 12:23|| Front Page Top

#5 So once again this morning I am wearing my tin foil hat.

But what are we supposed to think? We know they hate Trump and we know they want gun control. So when somebody offers a solution that Trump endorses and it allows law abiding citizens to keep their guns they go into #resist mode.

Do they want more school shootings? That's a tough question. But if they can blame it on Trump and continue to escalate their calls for a ban on the AR-15 you kinda have to wonder.

Then we find out the FBI knew about this kid in Parkland. The local sheriff knew. No way in hell would this kid pass a background check if some of his crimes had not been ignored by local law enforcement.

What the fuck did they think was gonna happen?

Oh, by the way, my understanding is that an AR-15 will cost upwards of a thousand dollars. I don't know because I was never in the market for one but I think they are not cheap and how many of them did Cruz have and how many other guns did he have? He was a 19 year old high school dropout. Where did he work? How did he get his hands on enough money to buy his guns? Has anybody besides me even asked?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-02-24 12:42||   2018-02-24 12:42|| Front Page Top

#6 If I had scrolled down a bit the answer to one of my questions was right there...

.223/5.56mm (AR Pattern Semiautomatic) Average Price: $450 Last Week Avg: $440(+) ($616 (2Q, 2015), $387 (25 Weeks))

Not a thousand dollars. Maybe I should run out and buy one. Still I think it's a considerable amount of money for a 19 year old high school dropout and I still think it's reasonable to ask how he got his hands on that much money.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2018-02-24 12:52||   2018-02-24 12:52|| Front Page Top

#7 actually I heard his the couple that had taken him in after his adoptive mother died last November (flu) filed for the remainder of the estate he (and his brother?) inherited, and it's a bundle (like $800 K). AR's are not cheap but he probably had access to enough cash
Posted by Frank G 2018-02-24 12:58||   2018-02-24 12:58|| Front Page Top

#8 Not a thousand dollars. Maybe I should run out and buy one. Still I think it's a considerable amount of money for a 19 year old high school dropout and I still think it's reasonable to ask how he got his hands on that much money.

I am hearing stories about local gun shop owners selling new, assembled ARs (DPMS, etc) for $400 out the door. Retail outlets just want to be rid of the things because of market conditions.
Rural King is selling M&P Sport 15s for $499.

The AR market is a buyer's market at the moment. If the left would just shut its f*cking mouth for two weeks, prices for ARs would continue to go down harder than Nina Burleigh on Bill Clinton.
Posted by badanov 2018-02-24 13:51|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2018-02-24 13:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Correction: shooting its mouth off and stop goading potential shooters into shooting up the place.
Posted by badanov 2018-02-24 14:00|| http://www.chriscovert.net  2018-02-24 14:00|| Front Page Top

#10 “More guns”? Let’s see. How many mass shootings occur at gun shows versus how many occur at gun free zones? That answer might be a clue.
Posted by Airandee 2018-02-24 15:55||   2018-02-24 15:55|| Front Page Top

#11 The answer to gun violence cannot be taking guns away from people who never have and never will use them in a crime.
Posted by Iblis 2018-02-24 16:26||   2018-02-24 16:26|| Front Page Top

#12 All the gun laws in the world are worthless if those doing the background checks can't really be bothered to actually do proper background check.
Posted by rjschwarz 2018-02-24 17:30||   2018-02-24 17:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Teachers carry in Texas.
Posted by Omeger Gray6606 2018-02-24 19:13||   2018-02-24 19:13|| Front Page Top

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