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2009-07-24 Afghanistan

Obama: 'Victory' Not Necessarily Goal in Afghanistan

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2009-07-24 02:06|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 "I'm always worried about using the word 'victory,' because, you know, it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur," Obama told ABC News.

That would be General MacArthur to you, you communist son of a bitch. A surrender act which probably saved the lives of hundreds of thousands, possibly a million GI's and an untold number of Japanese.

Having yet another Jeremiah Wright moment. "Worried" about American success, then and of course now. The poor, helpless bastard.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-07-24 05:59|| 2009-07-24 05:59|| Front Page Top

#2 Although their not really much different at their core...

Zero is a narcisist, rather than a communist. He honestly beleives that he can spend money better than the person who earnt it.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-07-24 06:39|| 2009-07-24 06:39|| Front Page Top

#3 If victory is not the goal, defeat will be the result.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia">Rambler in Virginia 2009-07-24 07:29|| 2009-07-24 07:29|| Front Page Top

#4 Personally I'd say that a stable, less corrupt than average, more democratic than average, Afghanistan with a stable non opium based economy and a small or zero American troop commi.ttment would be a victory.

Posted by Lord garth 2009-07-24 08:18|| 2009-07-24 08:18|| Front Page Top

#5 0Bama, you moron, Hirohito never came down and signed a "surrender to MacArthur."

I thought this guy was supposed to be educated.

Posted by Parabellum 2009-07-24 09:01|| http://sidemeat.wordpress.com/]">[http://sidemeat.wordpress.com/] 2009-07-24 09:01|| Front Page Top

#6 "Like when Hitler signed that surrender at Pearl Harbor"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-07-24 09:57|| 2009-07-24 09:57|| Front Page Top

#7 Japanese representatives on board USS Missouri (BB-63) during the surrender ceremonies, 2 September 1945.

Foreign Minister Mamoru Shigemitsu;
General Yoshijiro Umezu, Chief of the Army General Staff;
Major General Yatsuji Nagai, Army;
Katsuo Okazaki, Foreign Ministry;
Rear Admiral Tadatoshi Tomioka, Navy;
Toshikazu Kase, Foreign Ministry;
Lieutenant General Suichi Miyakazi, Army;
Rear Admiral Ichiro Yokoyama, Navy;
Saburo Ota, Foreign Ministry;
Captain Katsuo Shiba, Navy;
Colonel Kaziyi Sugita, Army.

Hirohito? Nope, not there.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2009-07-24 09:57|| 2009-07-24 09:57|| Front Page Top

#8 As I don't have to tell my fellow 'burgers, this sort of jaw-dropping historical illiteracy is not incidental - it reflects a very shallow intellect that is obviously unsuited for its current employment.

This one's easier to catch and guffaw at, but the bit about Churchill not using torture was even better in some ways. The familiar slander against the US, using an absurdly inaccurate historical analogy.

What our pathetic little affirmative action abandoned child "president" was trying to get at - though it's doubtful he understands it - is that "victory" in A'stan will not be clean, clear, quick, or involve formalities.

Lord Garth has it exactly right. It's a bit tricky to explain this somewhat nuanced concept of success to the public - but the failure to even try in the case of Iraq was one of Dubya's worst mistakes (the somewhat nuanced issue there being one about will and perseverance as strategic objectives, not so much explaining a fuzzy victory).

The problem isn't the word or concept of "victory," it's properly defining it in the public square as it applies to this operation. Note also how Bambi has ingested the no-military-solutions-to-military-problems silliness that hobbles many in uniform. As if, in A'stan of all places, one is going to make meaningful progress on economic development and such in a relevant time-frame, vs. killing your effing enemies and intimidating their allies.

One last thing. If one's goal is to "make sure they can't attack the US," then the proper approach is to exterminate them, and stay on offense. Another thing Dubya got exactly right, but utterly failed to hammer home until even people as dumb as NYT editors or COIN experts got it. Bambi's implied alternative is ridiculous - that somehow bringing cleaner well water to villages changes the power equation that makes/breaks the talibunnies or their creepy foreign friends. Sheesh.

Posted by Verlaine">Verlaine 2009-07-24 11:40|| 2009-07-24 11:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Zero is a narcisist, rather than a communist.

He is both, and much more.

Posted by Injun Grinesing9686 2009-07-24 11:53|| 2009-07-24 11:53|| Front Page Top

#10 Emperor Hirohito signed the surrender at the Imperial Palace in Tokyo.

Gen. MacArthur would not meet him.

Posted by mojo 2009-07-24 12:32|| 2009-07-24 12:32|| Front Page Top

#11 President Bluto.

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2009-07-24 12:42|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2009-07-24 12:42|| Front Page Top

#12 Well I guess there's 'educated' and then there's 'affirmative-actioned'.

As for 'Victory' not being cleaned cut. Didn't Bush say that when this all started?

No doubt the fawning media will treat this 'revealation' Zero had as some vast insight.

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-07-24 13:56|| 2009-07-24 13:56|| Front Page Top

#13 cleaned cut == clear cut

-- sorry

Posted by CrazyFool 2009-07-24 14:27|| 2009-07-24 14:27|| Front Page Top

#14 Afghanistan is basically feudal, not like the current nation state as we know it. There are lords with private armies with their "commanders" who assemble men under oaths of fealty.

Before any "victory" can be won, a nation state must be built.

Posted by crosspatch 2009-07-24 14:35|| 2009-07-24 14:35|| Front Page Top

#15 A life and death struggle and he's playing for the draw. I'd expect nothing less from our soccer-mom-in-cheif.

Posted by regular joe 2009-07-24 15:28|| 2009-07-24 15:28|| Front Page Top

#16 OTOH. WORLD NEWS/ISRAEL FORUM > LIEBERMAN: IRAN NUKES COULD SPARK A "WORLD-THREATENING ARMS RACE".

Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-07-24 22:36|| 2009-07-24 22:36|| Front Page Top

#17 Uh, uh, ION "VICTORY" WORLD NEWS > BIDEN: RUSSIA WILL BOW/BEND TO THE USA [due to worsening econ ergo geopol woes]???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-07-24 22:38|| 2009-07-24 22:38|| Front Page Top

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