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2006-01-13 Home Front: Culture Wars
US Army Denies Honor Guard Weapons
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Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-01-13 09:45|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 In 1999, Congress passed a law ensuring that all veterans could receive full military honors at their funerals. But it failed to include much money for the practice

One root of the problem.

Don't know much about all this other than that I think M-1s require a special background check to buy from the feds or through the civilian marksmanship program. FWIW
Posted by lotp 2006-01-13 10:18||   2006-01-13 10:18|| Front Page Top

#2 "Power to investigate" Weapons and ammo repossession indeed, what an arsss. A typical DA civilian bureaucratic, no-can-do answer, thanks Ed you dick. Kind of flies in the face of the Army "Train the Trainer" philosophy. I say Let the older ones train the younger ones. The manly art of "M1 Thumb" avoidance can be easily trained in about 3-5 minutes. The manual of arms takes a bit longer. I'm sure the Vets will do a fine job of training and not permit the FNG to let them down. Appears we're guarding our own borders, maybe we'll have to buy our own burial detail Garands and ammo as well. My humble opinion as a Life VFW member.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-13 10:25||   2006-01-13 10:25|| Front Page Top

#3 And on an individual basis to boot. IIRC the law that allows the M-1s to be sold controls their resale to some degree .... my sig other has one bought directly from the govt a number of years ago.
Posted by lotp 2006-01-13 10:37||   2006-01-13 10:37|| Front Page Top

#4 M1s (either carbine or Garand) should be no harder to buy than any other rifle. They are semi-auto with an 8rd clip so don't fall a foul of all those nast assault weapon issues.

They're not cheap, but they are easy. ;^)

http://www.miltecharms.com/
Posted by AlanC">AlanC  2006-01-13 11:03||   2006-01-13 11:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Back in the 70s when the Army had 1 million under arms, the supporting installation would provide honor guards if the funeral was a days drive [to and back, and on exceptional grounds - i.e. CMH, further]. The reg's called for provided free ammo [Krag-Jorgensen's from the Spanish American War!] to vet organizations [VFW, AL] upon request. Two demographic lines intersected in the early 90's. One they more than half'ed the Army while not cutting back on missions and the WWII population started arriving in large numbers to the funeral homes. Something had to give. To support veterans funerals would have taken literally a couple of battalions worth of troops out of the system nationwide just to handle the demand. Didn't we just get through the whining and chest thumping about not having enough troops to accomplish the military commitments in the ME? To the point that Congress had to authorize another 20,000. Congress engages in another round of unresourced mandates when it declares that all veterns should have military honors [by the way, does that include people like Tim McVey?]. Looks good back home, doesn't do squat for anyone when its all show and no meat. Go hammer your Congressperson, they pass the statutes.
Posted by Theper Shaiper3390 2006-01-13 11:37||   2006-01-13 11:37|| Front Page Top

#6 U.S. Rep. James Oberstar has always been an advocate for Veterans. I trust he will work to find a solution.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-01-13 15:22||   2006-01-13 15:22|| Front Page Top

#7 This is just one more area where a national militia, fully-trained and equipped, could make a big difference. These "Sons of the American Legion" and any other group, properly organized, should be immediately recognized as a militia organization under the Second Amendment, and not only "allowed" to be armed, but actually given weapons and ammunition for thier various self-assigned or directed missions. The problem is, the Donkeycrats don't want ANY armed Americans, no way, no how. We really need to change the mentality of people in Washington. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible without manually ejecting about 40 senators and 125 congresscritters - preferably from 40,000 feet without a parachute.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-01-13 18:50|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-01-13 18:50|| Front Page Top

#8 Effing pathetic. Our warriors deserve better. D@mned bureaucrats.
Posted by Zenster 2006-01-13 19:48||   2006-01-13 19:48|| Front Page Top

#9 I was wrong above. No restrictions were put on reselling Garands bought under the civilian marksmanship program - only the presale background check was required.
Posted by lotp 2006-01-13 20:48||   2006-01-13 20:48|| Front Page Top

#10 Honors at my father's funeral were done by ROTC cadets. They did a good job.
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