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2005-09-01 Home Front: Economy
Townsfolk take up arms against looters
In a city shut down for business, the Rite Aid at Oak and South Carrollton was wide open on Wednesday. Someone had stolen a forklift, driven it four blocks, peeled up the security gate and smashed through the front door.

The young and the old walked in empty-handed and walked out with armfuls of candy, sunglasses, notebooks, soda and whatever else they could need or find. No one tried to stop them.

Across New Orleans, the rule of law, like the city's levees, could not hold out after Hurricane Katrina. The desperate and the opportunistic took advantage of an overwhelmed police force and helped themselves to anything that could be carried, wheeled or floated away, including food, water, shoes, television sets, sporting goods and firearms.

Many people with property brought out their own shotguns and sidearms. Many without brought out shopping carts. The two groups have moved warily in and out of each other's paths for the last three days, and the rising danger has kept even some rescue efforts from proceeding.

Because the New Orleans police were preoccupied with search and rescue missions, sheriff's deputies and state police from around Louisiana began to patrol the city, some holding rifles as they rolled through the streets in an armored vehicle.

But on Wednesday night, the mayor ordered about 1,500 city police officers, nearly the entire force, back to their traditional roles.

The looters "are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas," Mayor C. Ray Nagin told The Associated Press, "hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now."

Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said she was "furious" about the looting.

"What angers me the most is disasters tend to bring out the best in everybody, and that's what we expected to see," Ms. Blanco said at a news conference. "Instead, it brought out the worst."

All sizes and types of stores, from Wal-Mart to the Rite Aid to the St. Vincent de Paul thrift shop, turned into bazaars of free merchandise.

Some frightened homeowners took security into their own hands.

John Carolan was sitting on his porch in the thick, humid darkness just before midnight Tuesday when three or four young men, one with a knife and another with a machete, stopped in front of his fence and pointed to the generator humming in the front yard, he said.

One said, "We want that generator," he recalled.

"I fired a couple of rounds over their heads with a .357 Magnum," Mr. Carolan recounted Wednesday. "They scattered."

He smiled and added, "You've heard of law west of the Pecos. This is law west of Canal Street."

Though no one excused the stealing, many officials were careful not to depict every looter as a petty thief.

"Had New York been closed off on 9/11, who can say what they would have done?" said Cynthia Hedge-Morrell, vice president of the New Orleans City Council. "When there's no food, no water, no sanitation, who can say what you'd do? People were trying to protect their children. I don't condone lawlessness, but this doesn't represent the generous people of New Orleans."

One woman outside a Sav-a-Center on Tchoupitoulas Street was loading food, soda, water, bread, peanut butter and canned food into the trunk of a gray Oldsmobile.

"Yes, in a sense it's wrong, but survival is the name of the game," said the woman, who would not identify herself. "I've got six grandchildren. We didn't know this was going to happen. The water is off. We're trying to get supplies we need."

Jimmy Field, one of the state's five public service commissioners, said supply and repair trucks were being slowed down by people looking for food and water. Some would not go on without police escorts.

"Right now we're hoping for more federal assistance to get the level of civil disturbance down," Mr. Field said.

One police officer was shot Tuesday trying to stop looting, but he was expected to survive.

An emergency medical vehicle that was taking a Baton Rouge police officer who had been shot last month from a hospital back to his hometown was shot at on the way out of New Orleans on Tuesday.

East Baton Rouge Parish officials agreed to send 20 buses with special weapons and tactics officers to help evacuate New Orleanians, but only if a state trooper was also placed on each bus. The plan was scuttled.

"I told them I don't mind committing drivers and vehicles, but I wasn't going to put our people in harm's way," said Walter Monsour, the chief administrative officer of the parish.

Besides the strain of having to rescue survivors, the police are bereft of much of their equipment, buildings and essential communications. The Police Department was scheduled to receive new radios on Wednesday night to coordinate its activities, said Lt. Col. Mark S. Oxley, a spokesman for the state police.

Charles C. Foti Jr., the Louisiana attorney general, said a temporary detention center and courthouse would be established somewhere outside New Orleans. "We will be ready to accept you in our system, and teach you about rules and order," Mr. Foti warned looters.

On Tuesday, the state police sent in 200 troopers trained in riot control, said Lt. Lawrence J. McLeary, a spokesman for the state police.

He said that the "nervous energy" in New Orleans reminded him of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. "I've never seen anything like that in Louisiana," Lieutenant McLeary said.

With no officers in sight, people carried empty bags, shopping carts and backpacks through the door of the Rite Aid on Wednesday and left with them full. The forklift was still in the doorway. As they came and went, the looters nodded companionably to one another.

Paul Cosma, 47, who owns a nearby auto shop, stood outside it along with a reporter and photographer he was taking around the neighborhood. He had pistols on both hips.

Suddenly, he stepped forward toward a trio of young men and grabbed a pair of rusty bolt cutters out of the hands of one of them. The young man pulled back, glaring.

Mr. Cosma, never claiming any official status, eventually jerked the bolt cutters away, saying, "You don't need these."

The young man and his friends left, continuing the glare. A few minutes later, they returned and mouthed quiet oaths at Mr. Cosma, and his friend Art DePodesta, an Army veteran, who was carrying a shotgun and a pistol.

Mr. Cosma stared back, saying nothing. Between the two sides, a steady trickle of looters came and went, barely giving any of them a look.
Posted by Dan Darling 2005-09-01 03:07|| || Front Page|| [9 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 ""I've got six grandchildren. We didn't know this was going to happen. The water is off. We're trying to get supplies we need.""

File this one under hte DUH file.

Didnt know it was going to happen? WTF!?!?

This was only on the news for the previous 3 days, everyone talking about it, and the mayor and gov ordered an evac a couple days ahead. This moron has a working car and a non-working brain. You live in Nawlins you dummy - it FLOODs - and has done so for the past few centuries.

I feel sorry your 6 grandchildren are hungry becasue you are too dumb to get out before the biggest hurricane in decades, so get them the hell out now, so you can stop stealing food. You might get shot - and that would be the reward stupidity invariably brings in nature: death.

Morons.
Posted by Oldspook 2005-09-01 05:19||   2005-09-01 05:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Looters deserve to be shot on sight. That said, this ought to be a wakeup call to all those damned idiots who think that protecting themselves is someone else's responsibility.

The veneer of civilization is extremely thin in our society and it doesn't take much stress to have it break down. The situation in NO is way past that point. If you live in NOLA now and you have anything you want to keep, you better have guns and be willing to use them because that's the only way you're going to have a hope of succeeding. NOLA's housing projects have been a ripe source of fodder for Angola prison (one of the toughest, if not the toughest in the US)for a long time. Bet on it that there are lots of Angola graduates among the ghouls terrorizing NOLA today. Those reasty folks aren't even going to think of backing away from anything less than a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot.

This is nothing new, either. Ask someone who lived through Andrew down in Homestead. For quite some time afterward the only effective law was what the residents could enforce with their own weapons. After dark it got REAL ugly.
Posted by mac 2005-09-01 05:47||   2005-09-01 05:47|| Front Page Top

#3 "The veneer of civilization is extremely thin in our society..."

True of all human societies, IMHO, where there is a semblance / pretense of civilization. I think of it as the thin candy shell... Civilization is merely the suspension of normal self-serving activities - under duress. The presumption that it should be anything other than this is rooted in the moonbattery that there are no really bad people and that those who behave badly (looting, killing, procrastinating, etc.) were temporarily forced by circumstances of some sort. Uh, huh, right.

I've always thought this fit rather well:

If a man once indulges himself in murder,
very soon he comes to think little of robbing;
and from robbing he next comes to drinking
and sabbath-breaking, and from that to
incivility and procrastination.

-- Thomas DeQuincy
Posted by .com 2005-09-01 07:56||   2005-09-01 07:56|| Front Page Top

#4 I understand if someone 'liberates' food and bottled water. I'd turn a blind eye to that.

Flat-screen TVs, computers, and jewelry? Shoot them.

Some people were not able to get out. The poverty issue is a real one, and one can rightly ask how, in the future, we're going to help the poor folks when there is a mandatory evacuation. Looting isn't the answer.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2005-09-01 11:10||   2005-09-01 11:10|| Front Page Top

#5 You live in Nawlins you dummy - it FLOODs - and has done so for the past few centuries.

There was a prog on PBS some years back that looked at the effect on the Mississippi River by flood control measures. It was mentioned that New Orleans was below sea level, and that it was only a matter of time before a catastrophic flood would inundate the city.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-09-01 11:17||   2005-09-01 11:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Yep, PBS was right, turns out New Orleans has the topography of a bowl. Yep, a bowl.
Posted by Shipman 2005-09-01 11:34||   2005-09-01 11:34|| Front Page Top

#7 Article: Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said she was "furious" about the looting.

"What angers me the most is disasters tend to bring out the best in everybody, and that's what we expected to see," Ms. Blanco said at a news conference. "Instead, it brought out the worst."


I find it amusing that Democrats consistently pretend to be law-and-order advocates without actually saying what punitive steps they will take to deter or punish criminals. It would have been a little more effective for her to have said, for example, that she has instructed law enforcement officials to shoot looters on sight. Cops and the like are not going to risk being brought up on murder charges - the governor needs to provide explicit authorization.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-01 11:41|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-09-01 11:41|| Front Page Top

#8 ZF,

Spot on. Kind of like the second verse of "We'll issue a subpoena and arrest Osama Bin Laden." Okay, and how exactly are you going to do that?
Posted by Dreadnought 2005-09-01 13:05||   2005-09-01 13:05|| Front Page Top

#9  #4 I understand if someone 'liberates' food and bottled water. I'd turn a blind eye to that.

Flat-screen TVs, computers, and jewelry? Shoot them.


Just WTF good is a flat screen TV going to do someone in the next few days. I can understand the looting for food and water. But when your life is hanging by a thread and all you can think about is Nike's and DVD's you deserve to got shot.
Posted by Cheaderhead 2005-09-01 15:22||   2005-09-01 15:22|| Front Page Top

#10 The lawless in New Orleans aren't much different than the lawless in Great Britain or Baghdad or Mogadisha, or Afghanistan, or etc, etc, etc.
Posted by Fleck Hupomoter1523 2005-09-01 17:31||   2005-09-01 17:31|| Front Page Top

#11 Now here's a cause worth donating to.
Posted by Chris W.">Chris W.  2005-09-01 21:12||   2005-09-01 21:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Just a few,

Volcano eruptions , Lahars , Earthquakes

Peru,
Boliva,
Chile,
Japan,
Italy,
Philippines
Alaska
SF

etc.

Been in one myself where all of us helped shared each others food, water, aid and comfort etc.


Collectivly many thousands of folks have been killed or isolated and left homeless but the people all helped each other and there was no looting! *** most of them were all poor folks but rich in character.***

Posted by Red Dog 2005-09-01 21:29||   2005-09-01 21:29|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm sitting here next to another New Orleans evacuee who just got off the phone with her brother, a National Guard MP currently re-deployed from rescue operations in Plaquemines Parish to law enforcement in Orleans. His orders are if he sees a weapon, shoot the carrier. He's already smashed a face into the pavement today. But he says that for right now the city is run by the gangs. Groups of armed young men wandering the streets, they've run out of stores to loot so are starting on the homes.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2005-09-01 22:20||   2005-09-01 22:20|| Front Page Top

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