Article

2023-09-14 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

The Foundational Falsehood Underlying Palestinian Claims

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-14 05:42|| || Front Page|| [14 views ] Top

These pernicious claims of Palestinian originalism

You mean like the Cape Province and Table Mountain ?

Posted by Besoeker 2023-09-14 08:10|| 2023-09-14 08:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Even Israel isn’t what it once was. Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system. The two-state process that sought to generate a country for the Palestinians has been dead for years and we have already seen the Israelis implement a very successful separation plan more than a bit reminiscent of South Africa’s Apartheid.

In fact, Israeli ultranationalists in private conversations even welcome the comparison to Apartheid, because they think Apartheid was gentler than what modern Israel has achieved. Under Apartheid, the black South Africans could travel to white-controlled zones for work. Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons with the Israelis controlling Palestinian access to power, food and water. As the thinking goes, who cares if this radicalizes the Palestinians if they are radicalized on the other side of a wall. Arguably, places like Tunisia or Pakistan are now “more equal” democracies than Israel. (Ugh, I’m going to get so much hate mail for these last two paragraphs.)
-- Peter Zeihan

https://us11.campaign-archive.com/?u=de2bc41f8324e6955ef65e0c9&id=4d2a18b8a0

Posted by Harcourt Tholuse6841 2023-09-14 12:50|| 2023-09-14 12:50|| Front Page Top

#3 Within the next decade the country’s mostly-Palestinian Muslim population will become the majority, although about 90 percent of them have no political rights in the Israeli system.

*Shrug* The experts have been scaring themselves with that claim since the early 1950s, during which time the Arab-Israeli and Palestinian birth rates have fallen significantly, even as the Israeli birth rate has risen — nowadays they’re almost the same, but Israeli babies have a better survival rate.

Note that the Moslems of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Afghanistan also have no political rights in the Israeli system — because they have their own rights under their own governments. If the residents of the Palestinian Territories are unhappy because their political leaders are tinpot totalitarian tyrants, that is not Israel's responsibility. And anyway, the Palestinians in Jerusalem can have Israeli rights and citizenship upon filling out the form requesting Israeli citizenship, but they choose not to do so. Palestinians in the rest of the West Bank can have all sorts of rights if they marry an Israeli, but again almost all do not.

Under the Israeli program the Palestinians languish behind 35-foot-tall concrete walls in what are little more than open air prisons

Such rot. But Peter Zeihan, who seems to be a nice, thoughtful man, clearly has never seen Israel’s internal and external borders for himself. Elsewise he would be talking about the worrisome porosity of the fence along the Green Line, which crossed by about as many illegal Palestinian workers each day as 100,000+ who come in legally, plus another 30,000 working legally for Israelis in the West Bank. Gaza sends another 20,000. So depending on how much of the Palestinian population in the territories is real versus imaginary, somewhere between 10% and 20% enter Israel each day to earn significantly more than they would for the same job at home. How vile the Israelis are, to be sure.

Posted by trailing wife 2023-09-14 21:01|| 2023-09-14 21:01|| Front Page Top

23:52 Vernal Whineck2317
22:41 Vernal Whineck2317
22:08 Vernal Whineck2317
21:44 lord garth
21:27 jpal
21:11 trailing wife
21:08 Vernal Whineck2317
21:01 trailing wife
20:43 badanov
20:15 CrazyFool in Texas
20:04 ed in texas
19:55 Frank G
19:45 DarthVader
19:45 Lemuel Lumplump3150
19:43 lord garth
19:42 Chantry
19:35 Silentbrick
19:07 ACA JOE
18:48 Procopius2k
18:48 Glenmore
18:47 Glenmore
18:31 Frank G
18:26 Frank G
18:21 jpal