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2014-06-16 Government

Texas Guard and US Army In Dispute over Border Lakotas

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Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-06-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Correction, border Lakotas. Has been very cost effective, but could be replaced by drones with operations in state guard facilities which would save even more millions.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-06-16 00:07|| 2014-06-16 00:07|| Front Page Top

#2 Fixed. Thanks for the prompt follow-up, Bubba Graiting8281.

Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-16 00:18|| 2014-06-16 00:18|| Front Page Top

#3 Drones still do not play well in sharing airspace with General and Commercial Aviation. Until they do the helicopters are the best option.

Posted by tipover 2014-06-16 00:28|| 2014-06-16 00:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Thanks TW for the quick response on your part, a pair of Lakotas in flight.

Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-06-16 00:46|| 2014-06-16 00:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Hard to believe the cost of transport of Army birds to be abandoned in AFG and IRQ is greater than the value of a working border management solution.

Posted by Skidmark 2014-06-16 02:14|| 2014-06-16 02:14|| Front Page Top

#6 The Army wants to replace the Kiowas with about 100 Lakota helicopters. Those aircraft could come from the National Guard, leaving that unit with little air capacity of its own.

And the Lakota's go where, and conduct what more vital mission? Sorry, not buying that one. You've got 56 other states to rob AV capability from. Pick one.

Anyone note the combat patch on the pilot's ACU's ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-16 02:20|| 2014-06-16 02:20|| Front Page Top

#7 You are a dear, Bubba Graiting8281. :-)

Posted by trailing wife 2014-06-16 07:22|| 2014-06-16 07:22|| Front Page Top

#8 SF on border duty, B?

Posted by Skidmark 2014-06-16 08:19|| 2014-06-16 08:19|| Front Page Top

#9 ...especially unaccompanied minors -- fleeing poverty and gang violence in Central America.

This has been going on for generation, why now the sudden massive influx, other than something is promoting it?

BTW - Wasn't the Clinton Doctrine established with Haiti to occupy and oust governments that promote this dumping (or was that just because Florida was a swing state in an upcoming election)?

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-06-16 08:20|| 2014-06-16 08:20|| Front Page Top

#10 Roger.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-16 08:21|| 2014-06-16 08:21|| Front Page Top

#11 So just why is it DOD is pulling ALL armed aircraft from the guard? To fill the Aviation Brigades they are closing down?

Posted by 49 Pan 2014-06-16 10:35|| 2014-06-16 10:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Bleeding off border enforcement tools is a stop-gap measure Pan. Full implementation would be Federalizing the Guard.... as in Martial Law and FEMA management.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-06-16 10:39|| 2014-06-16 10:39|| Front Page Top

#13 So just why is it DOD is pulling ALL armed aircraft from the guard?

Conjectures:

a) The idea is to reduce the National Guard to a 'traditional' support role by swapping support aircraft for armed aircraft,

b) The idea that states would be "better served" by having NG/AG aircraft that can be used for PAX/Cargo transport,

c) The idea that it's dangerous for states to have armed aircraft at their disposal.

Posted by Pappy 2014-06-16 14:24|| 2014-06-16 14:24|| Front Page Top

#14 c) The idea that it's dangerous for states to have armed aircraft at their disposal.

Ah, dangerous for whom.

Posted by Squinty 2014-06-16 14:26|| 2014-06-16 14:26|| Front Page Top

#15 A fourth conjecture:

d) The Lakota is touted by Airbus as being "30-50% cheaper to operate" than the MH60; one would suspect that it's also somewhat less expensive to operate than a Kiowa. Which would fall into the 'traditional' mindset of reducing the NG/AG to a secondary (second-rate) support role.

Posted by Pappy 2014-06-16 14:31|| 2014-06-16 14:31|| Front Page Top

#16 This is the difference between a state militia and the National Guard. The government owns all the equipment and arms in the National Guard and the Guard can be nationalized.UN

Posted by Deacon Blues 2014-06-16 15:36|| 2014-06-16 15:36|| Front Page Top

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