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2013-08-31

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Posted by Steve White 2013-08-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 'Tis a time for Prayer + lots of Ammunition.

Espec iff our Leaders are going to continue busting the Budget-Debt levels + commit the US to
an anti-sosvereign Globalist agenda widout asking the Amer People or US Voters to vote on same.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-08-31 00:08|| 2013-08-31 00:08|| Front Page Top

#2 I don't know if the Brits don't want to participate because it is a bad idea or because BHO has repeatedly snubbed them. (sending back that bust of Churchill doesn't seem so clever now, eh?).

My 2 pesos on how this plays out: Yet Another Scandal starts up and dominates the news cycle. Syria is conveniently forgotten.

Posted by SteveS 2013-08-31 00:44|| 2013-08-31 00:44|| Front Page Top

#3 My problem, Doc, is that I don't trust our Intelligence - neither their competence nor their honesty.
Look at the case like a criminal detective - who has motive, for starters? Assad might have had motive earlier, when he was desperate, but now? Why use them now, when all it can do is damage your global political position, without gain? And once the decision has been made to use them, why use in a such a limited fashion? Comparable numbers have been killed routinely by 'acceptable' artillery barrages. It doesn't make sense.
Conversely, it makes perfect sense for the rebels to use a limited chemical attack on their own people: the losses are not appreciably different than normal, they are desperate, they are dedicated, and it stands to gain for them essential international support. But do they have the opportunity - do they have such weapons to use? I certainly can't say they can't have them - they aren't that hard to make (crude ones, anyway), there were plenty floating around the mideast the past couple of decades for a few to have been diverted/lost/whatever, and there are those who might supply them, for fee or in sympathy. The rebels would not likely have enough to use as actual weapons against Assad, but as political weapons...
No, I am not convinced.
1) That people were killed by chemicals - though I am starting to.
2) That the chemicals were from weapons.
3) That the weapons were intentionally detonated.
4) That they were detonated by Assad's forces.
5) That our attacking of Assad would make things better, rather than worse.
6) That our various government agencies and people have reliable and accurate information and analysis to answer the questions.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-08-31 01:53|| 2013-08-31 01:53|| Front Page Top

#4 Isn't it about time for a vacation and a round of golf for the prez?

Posted by BrerRabbit 2013-08-31 02:28|| 2013-08-31 02:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Excellent piece Doctor. My thoughts on the situation unfolding or folder, who knows for sure.

Firstly, there is little to be joyful about in that part of the world and seldom has been. They've been beset with mystery, legend, paranoia, poisoned wells, thievery, child abuse, and murderous death for several millennia. Yes, there is indeed a high level of confidence that a chemical agent release happended. Just how and why it happened appears to still be open to debate. Let the experts at USAMRRID and Porton Down sort it out.

This isn't about chemical weapons, it's about the careless rhetoric of a crass amateur. While they can produce a horrible ghastly death, chemical weapons are vastly overrated as a tool on the modern battlefield.

Substantially more troubling to me are the staggering number of suicides within the ranks of our uniformed service members.

Drop in some M256A1 Chemical Agent Detector Kits, a few M21 Remote Sensors, some Atropine Injectors and tell them to have a nice day.

I hope and pray we're not drug into WWIII by a feckless, identity confused, Islamic apologist, motivated by a sense of social justice, fairness, and a longing to follow the death-cult faith of his drunken, runaway father.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-08-31 02:53|| 2013-08-31 02:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Yeah he's worked hard at screwing this up so badly . He deserves one BrerRabbit

Posted by chungle73 2013-08-31 02:56|| 2013-08-31 02:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Of course it's not a time for joy. We have a psycho (a mixture of the worse attributes of a third world dictator, and an academic sh*thead) about to discover the joys of using the World's biggest military on a whim.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-08-31 03:25|| 2013-08-31 03:25|| Front Page Top

#8 The unthinkable, thirty years ago Sunday. Don't tell me it can't happen again.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-08-31 03:33|| 2013-08-31 03:33|| Front Page Top

#9 1) That people were killed by chemicals - though I am starting to.
2) That the chemicals were from weapons.
3) That the weapons were intentionally detonated.
4) That they were detonated by Assad's forces.

People were killed, but 90% survived. That means the "Chemical Weapons" were used badly, or were made badly. This makes it look more like the rebels than a government.

5) That our attacking of Assad would make things better, rather than worse.

We can be sure if Assad loses there will be Sunni genocide/ethnic "cleansing".
6) That our various government agencies and people have reliable and accurate information and analysis to answer the questions.
What's been released is totally unconvincing. An intercepted call asking "what's going on?" is taken as evidence. You can tell theirs straw grasping and there's bullshit going on.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2013-08-31 04:43|| 2013-08-31 04:43|| Front Page Top

#10 Chemical agents or bullets. To kill is to kill. What is the special connotation other than 'different'? Dead is dead.

That if we don't punish Syria then other genocidal thugs will conclude that it is similarly safe for them to trample that red line?

Most of history has been filled with genocidal thugs. Remember we're living in a very unique historical bubble tagged Pax Americana.

Gas? Why not just starve your people to death by the hundreds of thousands - North Korea. Why not just chop them up by the hundred thousand - Uganda. What did the world do?

The only thing that gets done in this world towards peace and containment has largely been done on the American dime and blood. Unfortunately, the 'Someone has got to do something' arm waivers have been generally the exact same people who've been systematically destroying the resource and economic base that made Pax Americana possible for generations. There's very little now to reinvigorate a large military establishment to 'police' the world. Our expensive resources are becoming precious in that once expended are unlikely to be replaced. You don't penny packet it away on every crisis that's now going to pop up as Pax Americana recedes.

One of the unlearned lessons of history is how Justinian exhausted the resources of the Byzantines trying to rebuild the old Roman Empire leaving it unable to then cope with the rise of the Muslim conquest out of Arabia. How did that work out for the world?

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-08-31 08:04|| 2013-08-31 08:04|| Front Page Top

#11 ....must...resist...schadenfreude....

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-08-31 09:25|| 2013-08-31 09:25|| Front Page Top

#12 The following are 25 quotes about the coming war with Syria that every American should see...

1. Barack Obama, during an interview with Charlie Savage on December 20, 2007: "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

2. Joe Biden, during a television interview in 2007: "The president has no constitutional authority ... to take this nation to war ... unless we're attacked or unless there is proof we are about to be attacked. And if he does, if he does, I would move to impeach him."

3. U.S. Representative Ted Poe: "Mr. President, you must call Congress back from recess immediately to take a vote on a military strike on Syria. Assad may have crossed a red line but that does not give you the authority to redline the Constitution."

4. U.S. Representative Kurt Schrader: "I see no convincing evidence that this is an imminent threat to the United States of America."

5. U.S. Representative Barbara Lee: "While we understand that as commander-in-chief you have a constitutional obligation to protect our national interests from direct attack, Congress has the constitutional obligation and power to approve military force, even if the United States or its direct interests (such as its embassies) have not been attacked or threatened with an attack."

6. The New York Times: "American officials said Wednesday there was no 'smoking gun' that directly links President Bashar al-Assad to the attack, and they tried to lower expectations about the public intelligence presentation."

7. U.S. Senator Rand Paul: "The war in Syria has no clear national security connection to the United States and victory by either side will not necessarily bring in to power people friendly to the United States."

8. U.S. Senator Tim Kaine: "I definitely believe there needs to be a vote."

9. Donald Rumsfeld: "There really hasnt been any indication from the administration as to what our national interest is with respect to this particular situation."

10. Robert Fisk: "If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured for the very first time in history that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qaida."

11. Former congressman Dennis Kucinich: "So what, were about to become al-Qaedas air force now?"

12. Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem: "We have two options: either to surrender, or to defend ourselves with the means at our disposal. The second choice is the best: we will defend ourselves."

13. A Syrian Army officer: "We have more than 8,000 suicide martyrs within the Syrian army, ready to carry out martyrdom operations at any moment to stop the Americans and the British. I myself am ready to blow myself up against US aircraft carriers to stop them attacking Syria and its people."

14. Khalaf Muftah, a senior Ba'ath Party official: "We have strategic weapons and were capable of responding."

15. An anonymous senior Hezbollah source: "A large-scale Western strike on Syria will plunge Lebanon virtually and immediately into the inferno of a war with Israel."

16. Ali Larjiani, the speaker of the Iranian parliament: "...the country which has been destroyed by the terrorists during the past two years will not sustain so much damage as the warmongers will receive in this war."

17. Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: "Starting this fire will be like a spark in a large store of gunpowder, with unclear and unspecified outcomes and consequences"

18. General Mohammad Ali Jafari, chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guards: (an attack on Syria) "means the immediate destruction of Israel."

19. Israeli President Shimon Peres: "Israel is not and has not been involved in the civil war in Syria, but if they try to hurt us, we will respond with full force."

20. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: "We are not part of the civil war in Syria, but if we identify any attempt whatsoever to harm us, we will respond and we will respond in strength."

21. The Jerusalem Post: "The lines between Hezbollah and the Syrian regime are so blurred that Israel will hold Damascus responsible if Hezbollah bombards Israel in the coming days, Israeli officials indicated on Wednesday."

22. Ron Paul: "The danger of escalation with Russia is very high"

23. Pat Buchanan: "The sole beneficiary of this apparent use of poison gas against civilians in rebel-held territory appears to be the rebels, who have long sought to have us come in and fight their war."

24. Retired U.S. General James Mattis: "We have no moral obligation to do the impossible and harm our childrens future because we think we just have to do something."

25. Syrian refugee Um Ahmad: "Isn't it enough, all the violence and fighting that we already have in the country, now America wants to bomb us, too?"

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-08-31 09:47|| 2013-08-31 09:47|| Front Page Top

#13 If he does attack, I hope we save a couple cruise missile targets for Nasrallah and Hezbollah

Posted by Frank G 2013-08-31 09:57|| 2013-08-31 09:57|| Front Page Top

#14 Sadly, Champ never lets a good crisis go to waste...He using the bodies of Syrians to distract us from the NSA, IRS, Benghazi etc.

Posted by Warthog 2013-08-31 10:13|| 2013-08-31 10:13|| Front Page Top

#15 As someone pointed out, chemical weapons today are almost useless against a prepared military force. They have protective gear, remote sensors, and antidotes. Chemical weapons are very effective against an unprepared civilian population. This makes chemical weapons terror weapons.

On the other hand, if Assad had called in an extensive artillery strike, and killed and wounded exactly as many people, Obama would not have complained.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-08-31 13:10|| 2013-08-31 13:10|| Front Page Top

#16 The problem is Doc, that you assume Obama is doing this for the "right" reasons. I have a great amount of difficulty believing that. Because you posit this as an act due to qualitative differences, then there mut be qualitative differences in the reasoning. We must clearly be doing the right things, in the right places, the right way for the right reasons. Obama and his administration are singularly untrustworthy of anything other than acting to forward their own political aims, regardless of the good or evil of the act. Same goes for John Kerry, who had shown himself to be a patrician bumbling fool, hardly worthy of trust when it comes to his judgement of any moral matter as weighty as this.

As a former part of our intelligence community, I now deeply distrust the products it produces, because in some places, the integrity of the system, its use, and the people in it, has become quite questionable - many times valuing the politically expedient or desired outcome instead of doing what intel needs to do: present the truth plainly and clearly along with the probable alternatives when things are not completely clear. The national intelligence machinery is misdirected, political and fundamentally broken by ignoring the oath to the Constitution, careerism, fiefdom building in the civilian side, and far too many "Courtney Massengale" types on the military side.

All in all, there is a strong case to be made for distrusting the president, the state department, and the intelligence community, as well as some generals.

Those are significant enough issues to raise serious concerns to allow anyone to oppose strikes in the Syria situation as not meeting the qualitative criteria for a qualitative issue.

If a more "dirty" response were to be considered, then perhaps that might fit the situation - revoke the Carter era executive order and simply decapitate the Syrian regime, as well as the resistance leaders who are associated with Al Qaeda and MB. By bullet or cruise missile. For those are the true authors of the chemical strikes: the baathist regime - and the rebels who would do the same had they they chance to fill the vacuum left by toppling the regime. The reason its a dirty situation is that we left it to rot far too long without taking decisive action early, where smaller efforts (supporting the good factions, etc) produce greater changes to the trajectory of events. We now face the consequences of inaction and inertia.

The biggest shame of it is that the American people have not been informed of this due to the whitewashing and hiding of the truth by our dominant leftist media, who seem willing to continue to lie and distort to protect the Obama administration no matter the cost to the Constitution, Republic or its people.

As for your grandchildren (and mine), its unfortunate, but I doubt they will see such a world. What we can can do is see to it that they do not see such actions here at home, and restore what liberty we can. Entangling ourselves for questionable reasons due to questionable intelligence, under questionable leadership using questionable morals is not the thing to do.

Posted by OldSpook 2013-08-31 14:17|| 2013-08-31 14:17|| Front Page Top

#17 Thank you, Old Spook, for saying better what I tried to say.

Posted by Glenmore 2013-08-31 14:22|| 2013-08-31 14:22|| Front Page Top

#18 Quote 26 from Sarah Palin: "So were bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And Im the idiot?

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2013-08-31 19:15|| 2013-08-31 19:15|| Front Page Top

#19 Excellent opinion piece Doc.

As I see it, we have an arrogant and incompetent president. I trust him slightly more than Assad.

Our long-range strategic planning capability and foreign policy development out of the executive branch is non-existent. The people around BHO don't seem particularly capable either. As Krauthammer said: "It is amateur hour."

A couple of websites summarizing chemical and biological weapons capabilities:

Arms control site and Wiki site.

Posted by JohnQC 2013-08-31 19:50|| 2013-08-31 19:50|| Front Page Top

#20 As a former part of our intelligence community, I now deeply distrust the products it produces, because in some places, the integrity of the system, its use, and the people in it, has become quite questionable - many times valuing the politically expedient or desired outcome instead of doing what intel needs to do: present the truth plainly and clearly along with the probable alternatives when things are not completely clear. Old Spook

Spoken like a veteran DIA analyst. :-(

Posted by Besoeker 2013-08-31 19:53|| 2013-08-31 19:53|| Front Page Top

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