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2011-03-13 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Steve White 2011-03-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 We are fighting two wars that the New Republic does not support and now they want us to fight a 3rd?

Rocks for brains.

Egypt has about 750 special operations solders in Libya helping the rebels. The US is in Libya but trying to get our oil workers out. I am sure that if the rebels were to cut Egypt in on Libya's future oil wealth, a lot more Egyptian solders would show up for duty in return.

With Egypt on the ground and two US Aircraft Carriers in the Med, by-by Mua-a-muck.

Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-03-13 10:40|| 2011-03-13 10:40|| Front Page Top

#2 The comments are "enlightening". Most all are of the uber-left anti-war variety but some are all for an NFZ or other sort of engagement.

The few intelligent responses include the questions 1) What do we know about the opposition that makes us think they're democratic? and 2) If the NFZ approach doesn't work to stop 'daffy, what are we then prepared to do?

Personally I don't think we should get involved. But as one commenter said we are neither talking softly nor wielding a big stick. The proper term for Bambi is feckless.

Posted by AlanC 2011-03-13 11:13|| 2011-03-13 11:13|| Front Page Top

#3 AlanC,
US air power could suppress Mua-a-muck's air defenses, eliminate most of Mua-a-muck's aircraft, and destroy his armor and artillery.

Then what?

It would require boots on the ground. I think those boots could be Egyptian.

I would say to the rebels, "Half of something is worth more than all of nothing".

Posted by Mike Ramsey 2011-03-13 11:45|| 2011-03-13 11:45|| Front Page Top

#4 It would require boots on the ground

Which is why with air supremacy and constant wacking of leadership and cannon fodder from above, the NW Territories of Pakland continue to operate their nastiness upon their neighbors. No matter how much people want Guilio Douhet's Theory of Air Power to work, it still takes someone with a pointy end of a stick to stand on the ground to stop someone else from being there. Otherwise the cockroaches just return and continue to exist.

Posted by Procopius2k 2011-03-13 11:57|| 2011-03-13 11:57|| Front Page Top

#5 RED on RED! Pass the popcorn please.

Even feckless dithtering appears to have it's rewards.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-03-13 12:31|| 2011-03-13 12:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Mike,

I think those boots could be Egyptian

What makes you think that an Egypt in the midst of its own revolution would want to do this? Given all the money, training and weapons we've given them, if they want this they can implement they're own NFZ alone or in conjunction with Soddy, Turkey and Jordan.

Or, is it that they don't WANT to for any of a whole host of regional and individual reasons?

Me thinks we should do more talking softly or no talking at all.

Posted by AlanC 2011-03-13 13:26|| 2011-03-13 13:26|| Front Page Top

#7 " It would require boots on the ground " please no.
The is the Arab way. Face to face hit and run. Leave this alone. This is a Tribal conflict. No glory to be had here. We are in my opinion overextended now. Death by a thousand cuts. Big resource drain. What would be gained?. Not oil. Not goodwill. No-go

Posted by Dale 2011-03-13 13:54|| 2011-03-13 13:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Leave this alone. This is a Tribal conflict. No glory to be had here. We are in my opinion overextended now. Death by a thousand cuts. Big resource drain. What would be gained?. Not oil. Not goodwill. No-go.

Dale said it. I don't think this is a train we should be jumping.

Posted by Fi 2011-03-13 14:05|| 2011-03-13 14:05|| Front Page Top

#9 This may be 'Red on Red' now, but very soon panic will set in in Benghazi and the rebels will be routed swiftly.

Then it will be Red (Gaddafi) on us. And we will take casualties as we did in the past.

Gaddafi's rehabilitation was a huge mistake. As soon as he understood western fecklessness he openly defied the conditions of his probation.

Swiss hostages, threats against embassies, threats of Jihad, nuclear(!) threats, extortion using nuclear weapons material etc; all this was well before this rebellion.

So was this:

The Gaddafi regime openly celebrated Lockerbie!

Gaddafi has been called the 'Mad Dog of the ME.' After this he will be a wounded and enraged 'Mad Dog.'

Posted by Victor Emmanuel Huponter1784 2011-03-13 14:51|| 2011-03-13 14:51|| Front Page Top

#10 It would require boots on the ground. I think those boots could be Egyptian.

An Ikhwan-run Egypt funded with Libyan oil is an interesting prospect. Given the history of the area, if Egypt moves into Libya, I don't expect it to ever leave.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-03-13 23:07|| 2011-03-13 23:07|| Front Page Top

#11 This may be 'Red on Red' now, but very soon panic will set in in Benghazi and the rebels will be routed swiftly.

Then it will be Red (Gaddafi) on us. And we will take casualties as we did in the past.

Gaddafi made his peace with the West a decade ago. Since then, he's indulged in temper tantrums, but zero terrorist attacks. Besides, the era of Marxist-led terrorist groups of the kind favored by Gaddafi is long gone. The guy whacked over 1000 Islamists (who killed 200 prison guards) over the course of a prison revolt in 1996. The demonstrators who sparked off the Libyan revolt were relatives and friends of the Islamists he killed.

The rebels are a secular movement only if you can ignore the half-dozen mentions of Allah (translated as "God" - next thing you know, they'll be referring to the Quran as the Bible) in every article about the rebels, and the complete absence of non-burkha-clad women at the demonstrations. On balance, I'm inclined to favor Gaddafi, if only because his opponents appear to be troglodytes who want to turn the clock back 13 centuries.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-03-13 23:14|| 2011-03-13 23:14|| Front Page Top

#12 Personally I don't think we should get involved. But as one commenter said we are neither talking softly nor wielding a big stick. The proper term for Bambi is feckless.

I really don't see this as a problem. We spend more money on defense than every other country in the world added together. We've been in Afghanistan close to a decade and in Iraq for 8 years. Anyone who doesn't think Uncle Sam could ruin their day every day for the next decade is operating with blinders on. Only complete imbeciles like bin Laden and Mullah Omar could have thought it a good idea to bait the bear. Obama is a moron, but as long as we have 11 carriers, thousands of war planes and around 100 bases all over the globe, no one is going to mess with us just for heck of it. Especially not after Afghanistan and Iraq, no matter what they say in public.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-03-13 23:24|| 2011-03-13 23:24|| Front Page Top

#13 I lean towards Gaddafi based on my perception that he is the lesser of two evils. We sided with Stalin during WWII on the same principle, despite the fact that Uncle Joe made the conquest of the West possible, between the supplies he sent to the Germans and the secret Non Aggression Pact he signed with the Nazis. Without Stalin's assistance and greed (for the Baltic States and Polish territory), there would have been no Nazi conquest of Europe and no Holocaust. Yet we made a deal with Stalin the mass murderer and abettor of that other mass murderer, Hitler, for the simple reason that he was the lesser of two evils.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2011-03-13 23:40|| 2011-03-13 23:40|| Front Page Top

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