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2010-12-09 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russian official says Wikileak founder should get Nobel Prize
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Posted by lord garth 2010-12-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ]  Top

#1 Yea, as long as he does not leak Russian material, all's peachy. And who in their right mind would? For a polonium tea?

Concerning Wikileaks, Governor Mike Huckabee said:

"If we want to keep our nation's secrets 'SECRET,' store them where President Obama stores his college transcripts and birth certificate!"
Posted by twobyfour 2010-12-09 00:09||   2010-12-09 00:09|| Front Page Top

#2 So... diplomats not trusting each other because the cat is out of the bag and a regional war starting is cause for a "peace prize"?

The prize is worth less than the paper it is printed on, I guess.
Posted by DarthVader 2010-12-09 00:36||   2010-12-09 00:36|| Front Page Top

#3 well, he does have more accomplishment under his belt than one of the more recent recipients
Posted by abu do you love  2010-12-09 01:05||   2010-12-09 01:05|| Front Page Top

#4 I agree. Julian Assange is a hero. At great personal cost he is making sure that whistleblowers have a safe way to get information out about Governments all around the world. Not just the US Government but my government, african governments... all governments.

It is a triumph for the people and the people love him for it.
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 01:06||   2010-12-09 01:06|| Front Page Top

#5 No, the 'people' don't love him everywhere. Do you have a direct line with "the people" in Russia? So, can I have your visa account number? No? Because cracking open the vaults is fine as long as it is not close to home. Pure hypocrisy, that. Free information provided it is the others information and not your own.
Posted by Fire and Ice 2010-12-09 01:17||   2010-12-09 01:17|| Front Page Top

#6 the people love him for it.


The emphasis on love, freeeee love sometimes with a condom malfunction tossed in. Careful all you groupies, wouldn't want to catch a wikileak mid coitus.
Posted by Fire and Ice 2010-12-09 01:25||   2010-12-09 01:25|| Front Page Top

#7 LOL, FaI, you crack me up!
Posted by twobyfour 2010-12-09 01:30||   2010-12-09 01:30|| Front Page Top

#8 if you read the comments on news.com.au on every wikileaks story you will see that the people love him.

and this is why: "sam of perth" put it best when he said:

Sam of Perth Posted at 4:55 PM Today
"Why has Wikileaks got so much traction? Because the mainstream media has failed the public over and over. Remember when Latham ran for PM? The media here was hopeless at showing the public the true measure of the man. The GFC? Great coverage after the fact. The war in Iraq? They beat that fake drum as hard as the govt wanted them to. They also failed to fight the internet filter. That battle was fought by ordinary people. The last election campaign showed clearly the trend for governments to try to replace facts and policy with worthless spin. The mainstream media should have been heaping derision on both parties. Instead many articles sounded like party press releases. Democracy is meaningless when citizens do not have access to real information on which to judge the actions and character of their govt. It is the media's job to ensure that the public has that information. If they were doing their job then Julian Assange wouldn't have his. I salute the brave people at Wikileaks!"
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 01:47||   2010-12-09 01:47|| Front Page Top

#9 and FaI, Visa will probably have a few difficulties giving numbers since angry people started attacking it for cutting off Wikileaks.

People are really angry about what is happening to Assange and rightly so.
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 01:52||   2010-12-09 01:52|| Front Page Top

#10 anon1 -- have you made a contribution to Fred's bank account for hosting Rantburg (in case you don't know, he needs money to settle a lawsuit against him for postings at Rantburg)... so you have the privilege to express all your accolades of glory, worship of a false god, bowing down before our enemies, and for your innocent view of Assange?

Too bad you can't go back and live in the past. You're ideas and thoughts belong in the 60's. And it's that generation (mine) that is now royally messing up our country with beliefs just like yours.

So ante up -- you owe him for your box to stand on at the corner of 5th and Main in Rantburg for you to express your "freedom of speech."

Put your money where your mouth is, and pay for your freedom of speech here since those who are and have been giving of their lives to give you this freedom doesn't seem to be the chosen route for you.

Ante up, young lady, and act like an adult.
Posted by Sherry 2010-12-09 01:53||   2010-12-09 01:53|| Front Page Top

#11 Give Assange a Nobel Prize. After all he did something...... And I should get one for optimizing the dose of coagulant in the village I am in so they will get even better water. And everybody should get a Nobel Prize. Everybody's a winner.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2010-12-09 02:13||   2010-12-09 02:13|| Front Page Top

#12 Anon1 - With your attitude .. when the Chicoms take over OZ I will smile...
Posted by Water Modem 2010-12-09 02:26||   2010-12-09 02:26|| Front Page Top

#13 Yes Sherry, I have donated to Fred - and well worth it. Good on Fred for hosting a site.

I support Fred for the same reason: freedom of speech.

Fred had the courage to host this site at a time when PC McCarthyism was shutting up everyone who wanted to even mention the word "islam" in connection with "terrorism".

I think Wikileaks is also VERY IMPORTANT for the same reason.

It is a force for greater freedom in the world.

And for evidence of just how much we need it you can see a video right here,
Video link and subsequent description deleted, to protect those Rantburgers not allowed to see WikiLeaks information for security reasons.

Sorry about that, anon1, but at this site your freedom of speech ends when it causes problems for those fighting the War on Terror (or whatever we're calling it these days).

tw at 4:22 a.m. ET
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 04:09||   2010-12-09 04:09|| Front Page Top

#14 Give him an NPP. The prize has already been utterly debased; giving it to assflange will be in keeping with its current trajectory.
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2010-12-09 04:49||   2010-12-09 04:49|| Front Page Top

#15 Hello, TW

I respect the right of this site to post and keep what it wants on the site.

But that video has been in the public domain for a long time in a degraded form -

Don't you think it is important for people to see?

Especially when people are talking so easily about assassinating a journalist.

They shot down a Reuters cameraman and Reuters driver - and then shot up the van that came to rescue the bodies.

That is important.

If we are fighting a war we need to know what is going on there, and killing journalists is a big deal.
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 05:22||   2010-12-09 05:22|| Front Page Top

#16 Also - the Wikileaks cables could never have done as much damage to the standing of the US in the world as has been done by the reaction to it.

People are outraged not by what is in the cables but by how the US and other Governments have used their power to interfere politically in the workings of apolitical businesses like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

Worse was interference in the legal proceedings of Sweden and the obvious political hand being played out in Australia.

This is absolutely the opposite of what people want to see from their governments.

There is so much anger now about this that random groups launched hack attacks.

If the powers that be had simply allowed events to unfold and made their case that it was damaging relations then the public might have had sympathy for their position.

What is going on now is deeply divisive and it has nothing to do with the actual content of the cables, and everything to do with the political interference in civic life. It really is outrageous. And that is coming from a political conservative that holds no truck with the usual leftie whinging protesters.
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 05:45||   2010-12-09 05:45|| Front Page Top

#17 In other news Vladimir Putin suggested the Nobel Prize to be renamed the Anna Politkovskaya Prize

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

Caviar and polonium will be served
Posted by European Conservative 2010-12-09 05:55||   2010-12-09 05:55|| Front Page Top

#18 But that video has been in the public domain for a long time in a degraded form -

Don't you think it is important for people to see?

No. Some of our readers are troops out there fighting. We at Rantburg will not do anything to endanger their ability to do their job, or that will cause them to be pulled from doing that job.

Reporters wandering onto the field of battle are at risk at being caught in the crossfire, and have no reason to complain when they intersect a hail of bullets or an IED. Reporters hanging out with the enemy have no business complaining when they end up in the same cross-hairs as those they are standing next to. Choices have consequences; sometimes those consequences involve Darwin.
Posted by trailing wife 2010-12-09 06:45||   2010-12-09 06:45|| Front Page Top

#19 Political interference in civic life. It really is outrageous, says anon1.

And the release of classified material is what?
Assange stated goals, a few years back, were to damage US economy and political system. He decides how the political games to be played, not American people.

It's a dangerous slippery slope. And for me it is greased by the fact that partial funding of WL is coming from Tide Foundation. And if you do not know what TF is, let me just make it extra easy for you--Soros.

This fact is no longer advertised by WL, because people may get a "wrong, incorrect" idea that WL may be a tool of Soros' megalomaniacal goals and intents.

By a coincidence, the stated goal of Assange and Soros are uncannily nearly identical, with Soros being a bit more open about the OWG ideas. I see dots and they are connected.

The Aassange's application of declinations and tenses with the word freedom are utterly failing to convince me about his noble intentions. He has a decent salesman training selling secrets for profit, so I suppose that the concept of a sales pitch is quite familiar to him. He just finds a lot of fools that gobble it up hook, line and sinker.

He did not help anyone. Actually, not true, he did--the release of strategic US locations makes the job of Islamic radical elements even easier. And they do appreciate it. A friend of mine that monitors Islamist sites and forums (private intel op) noticed how giddy they are.

Radical lefties are pleased too.

What does it tell you anon1? It does seem that they do understand, on an analytical level, what is going on and who is being helped by this sordid affair.
Posted by twobyfour 2010-12-09 06:50||   2010-12-09 06:50|| Front Page Top

#20 People are outraged not by what is in the cables but by how the US and other Governments have used their power to interfere politically in the workings of apolitical businesses like Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

(facepalm) Oh, yeah, I forgot....if Visa, Mastercard and Paypal make a business decision that keeps ol' Jools from getting cash, it couldn't possibly be because they thought it may not be a good publicity move during the height of the Christmas shopping season to be associated with the little bugger. Oh no. It had to be because the CIA got to them like they got to the Swedes.....and the Swiss, too, who later closed out another one of his fundraising accounts due to his, ahem, difficulties with telling the truth about his legal residence as required by Swiss law.

I guess if you are all about FREEDOM! it's ok if you tell a few lies here and there.

Can't wait to see Australia's cables all over the internet. After all, I like freedom, too and I'm just sooo bored to death reading about Britney....if I say I'm all for freedom and not admit that I'm looking for "the good parts" that are trashalicious then I can pretend I'm all classy and stuff.
Posted by Swamp Blondie 2010-12-09 07:25||   2010-12-09 07:25|| Front Page Top

#21 Swamp Blondie, dontcha know that transparency is a requirement for us... that is everyone else but the glorious freedom fighters like Assflange?
Posted by twobyfour 2010-12-09 07:47||   2010-12-09 07:47|| Front Page Top

#22 twobyfour, only some of us. See: Congress while writing massive pieces of legislation, anything having to do with the Obamas, people with the "correct" political viewpoints. Campaign promises to the contrary be damned.
Posted by Swamp Blondie 2010-12-09 08:18||   2010-12-09 08:18|| Front Page Top

#23 Swamp Blondie, Assange deems that everyone must be transparent but His Freedoming Gloriousness. That is what I meant.
Posted by twobyfour 2010-12-09 08:37||   2010-12-09 08:37|| Front Page Top

#24 "Why has Wikileaks got so much traction? Because the mainstream media has failed the public over and over."

THAT part is true. But while it may explain WL popularity and does to SOME extent justify WL, there is too much dangerous and potentially dangerous content for me to condone. If you're going to release classified material you'd better be d*mned sure you know what you are releasing and what the potential consequences are - and THAT'S impossible for JA or pretty much anyone else.
Posted by Glenmore 2010-12-09 08:39||   2010-12-09 08:39|| Front Page Top

#25 The end result of total transparency as Anon and Asange want is a mafia-like verbal commands only, no paper trail to avoid embarrassment. Either that or everything is coded. I don't think that's particularly helpful to democracy.
Posted by rjschwarz 2010-12-09 09:20||   2010-12-09 09:20|| Front Page Top

#26 Assange stated goals, a few years back, were to damage US economy and political system.

By his own words you shall know him.

He's declared himself to be an enemy of the U.S. His choice, but he's going to learn that we can be quite the enemy.

He wants to take us down? Bring it, little man. You'll see how ordinary Americans respond to you.
Posted by Steve White 2010-12-09 09:21||   2010-12-09 09:21|| Front Page Top

#27 Please someone, ring up Judith Dench. I think we have a mission for one of her people.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-12-09 09:23||   2010-12-09 09:23|| Front Page Top

#28 Well, they gave it to Obama.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-12-09 11:34||   2010-12-09 11:34|| Front Page Top

#29 I am all for free speach, but unfortunately the Wikileaks information will be used out of context to influence a large portion of this world's uneducated masses, who have not been raised in an enviroment which questions their religious and political leaders. They hear and then do. They leave the thinking (right or wrong) up to those whose motives are myriad but not usually good. Information is ammunition for the enemy since they can spin it any way they want, only the naive will think what came out in Wikileaks could somehow be disseminated untainted by world and religious politics.
Posted by killjoy 2010-12-09 13:01||   2010-12-09 13:01|| Front Page Top

#30 The Russkies just might be floating this balloon to divert suspicion when they move against Assange. They might intend to award him the "Polonium Prize" instead (though probably not by putting it in a condom).
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2010-12-09 17:01||   2010-12-09 17:01|| Front Page Top

#31 TW: "Reporters wandering into a field of battle are at risk of being caught in the crossfire"

That video shows this statement is untrue.

There was no crossfire.

They were relaxed and walking down a street quite peaceably until a US Helicopter gunned them down from a kilometre away.

So if maintaining a lie is more important than telling people the truth no wonder that video link was censored from this site.

That is very disappointing.
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 18:06||   2010-12-09 18:06|| Front Page Top

#32 anyway you can all have your wish, I'm off for a week, i have work to do and can't be spending all day on the net. Enjoy!
Posted by anon1 2010-12-09 18:24||   2010-12-09 18:24|| Front Page Top

#33 "Reporters wandering into a field of battle are at risk of being caught in the crossfire"

Yes they are. Reporters are routinely executed, caught in crossfire, and worse. Does Daniel Pearl ring a bell? Daniel Pearl (October 10, 1964 – February 1, 2002) was an American journalist who was kidnapped and beheaded on video by terrorists. Anyone who is a reporter or journalist who goes afield is at risk. Anon1, what do you do for a living that all this seems so surprising to you? Any reporter who goes to a war zone could be killed for a reason, or no reason at all.
Posted by Fire and Ice 2010-12-09 18:27||   2010-12-09 18:27|| Front Page Top

#34 FaI: same true for any civi who does the same...
Posted by abu do you love  2010-12-09 20:03||   2010-12-09 20:03|| Front Page Top

#35 I'm convinced anon1 is a prankster. NOBODY could be that verbose, stupid, naive, and unaffected by everyone's obvious disagreement, yet still put out the same rote spew. Perhaps Army First guy, but that's it. Gotta be a fake...
Posted by Frank G 2010-12-09 20:18||   2010-12-09 20:18|| Front Page Top

#36 I am convinced that anon1 is no where nearly as innocent or unaffiliated as she likes to appear. It would be interesting to know how many other anon1's are making such regular and extensive appearances at similar sites and what their talking points are.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-12-09 20:39||   2010-12-09 20:39|| Front Page Top

#37 anyway you can all have your wish, I'm off for a week

I was wishing for a year.
Posted by Pappy 2010-12-09 21:35||   2010-12-09 21:35|| Front Page Top

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