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2009-08-17 Home Front: WoT

American battlefield: must we assume Muslims are Sharia-compiant?

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Posted by trailing wife 2009-08-17 14:36|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 How about if we just say that we are at war with all who declare themselves at war with us and who want to kill us?

Posted by Richard of Oregon 2009-08-17 15:23|| 2009-08-17 15:23|| Front Page Top

#2 "who do not embrace the seditious tenets of Shariah "

The article seems to imply there are two groups of muslims. WRT Sharia and sedition, there are in fact three.

A. Muslims who comply with Sharia, and read it in a way that justifies sedition, like you know, going to afghanistan to fight americans.
B. Muslims who comply with sharia by not eating pork, praying 5 times a day, etc but who ignore or reintrepret anything that calls for sedition
C. Muslims who dont comply with Sharia, but still consider themselves Muslim ("reform" muslims?)

Surely we should not discriminate against group C. However we should not ignore the existence of group B.

As for AIG, its sounds like someone wrote a mortgage in such a way as to comply with sharia provisions against charging interest (by creating quasi-fictional equity interests) and AIG insured those loans. I dont see how that has anything to do with sedition. I dont see how that implicates church and state - presumably the mortgage as written simply reflects an equity structuring rather than a conventional loan, and makes no explicit reference to sharia. If I make a contract to supply someone with all kinds of meat, but only the meat of animals with cloven hooves that chew their cuds, and make no reference to the laws of kashrut, is enforcement said contract a violation of church and state? I dont think so. Certain people keep coming up with novel legal doctrines that would have made Earl Warren blush in their battle against Islam.

Imagine if Mr Gaffney had written this

"many of the authorities of Judaism, such as the leaders of Kahane Chai, are at war with us. Only by so doing can we connect with and empower our natural allies in this war -- Jews who want to enjoy liberty in a Halacha-free America. "

I think we would all recognize it for the vile trash it is.

Posted by liberal hawk 2009-08-17 16:17|| 2009-08-17 16:17|| Front Page Top

#3 That works for me, Richard.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-08-17 16:29|| 2009-08-17 16:29|| Front Page Top

#4 It should be noted that we are missing a bet by not encouraging, or even subtly directing, a "reformation" in Islam, that would afford Muslims a doctrinal ability to distinguish themselves from Wahabbis, Salafists and their violent and Philistine ilk.

The key to this being done is a criticism of the "tafsir", the huge body of commentary and explication of the Koran, which is open to criticism where the Koran itself is not.

This would officially amount to a rejection of the bulk of the cultural traditions that are ascribed to, but not actually in the Koran, that were added later. And this would be an aggressive action, that people who embraced such "corruptions" go against the "enlightening nature" of Islam, and are primitive tribalists.

From there, it goes to outright hypocrisy, such as redefining the obvious. "Here, where Mohammed says to 'Kill the Jews!", what it *means* is that we should not be as violent as them. Kill the violent Jew within each of us. Not actually kill Jewish people."

It is a fraud, of course, but it is also an opportunity for Muslims to escape the onerous and murderous doctrines, yet still call themselves Muslim.

Posted by Anonymoose 2009-08-17 18:33|| 2009-08-17 18:33|| Front Page Top

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