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2008-05-18 Iraq

U.S. soldier uses Quran for target practice; military apologizes

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Posted by Fred 2008-05-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Great. Now all the muslims are going to have to put on shows to out-muslim each other even if it means destroying themselves.

Posted by gorb 2008-05-18 02:24|| 2008-05-18 02:24|| Front Page Top

#2 Lesson: how to get away from frontline duty.

Posted by McZoid 2008-05-18 02:37|| 2008-05-18 02:37|| Front Page Top

#3 Klinger would have been proud. :-)

Posted by gorb 2008-05-18 02:51|| 2008-05-18 02:51|| Front Page Top

#4 If one shoots it full of holes maybe one could get it to flush down the toilet?

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-05-18 07:49|| 2008-05-18 07:49|| Front Page Top

#5 Wouldn't filling it full of holes affect its absorbency?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-05-18 08:02|| 2008-05-18 08:02|| Front Page Top

#6 This happened May 9.

What would the reaction have been in 2006? What's changed?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-05-18 08:41|| 2008-05-18 08:41|| Front Page Top

#7 Screw them and their book. If the army doesn't like it screw them too. They'd rather kiss ass than win a war.

Posted by Fester Omailet5643 2008-05-18 10:32|| 2008-05-18 10:32|| Front Page Top

#8 It was an idiotic act by a knuckle-headed soldier. That is not the kind of thing you do in a counter-insurgency. You do not insult the culture and/or religion of the population you are attempting to pacify ... at least you don't do it in their town. That would be like a gaggle of Saudis here for military training being seen out in the woods shooting up a bible ... it seems to me that only Americans are dense enough to do crap like that.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-05-18 11:18|| 2008-05-18 11:18|| Front Page Top

#9 it seems to me that only Americans are dense enough to do crap like that.

Yeah, 'cause Americans are more stupid and undisciplined than anyone else. Like UN peace keepers, for example! Tsk. I was with you up until that point.

Posted by SteveS 2008-05-18 11:26|| 2008-05-18 11:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Proved that he can hit a Koran with an M-16. Now he will prove that he can maintain a barracks with an Oral B.

If he wanted out of combat, he should have just sparked up a doobie at morning muster ... now that expressing appreciation for Libarace just gets you an individualized shower time.

Posted by Super Hose 2008-05-18 12:55|| 2008-05-18 12:55|| Front Page Top

#11 Would any WW2 soldier have received such treatment shooting holes in "Mein Kampf"?
NO?
It's their version of a terrorist manual, and it's just another book anyway, Demote his CO for allowing this, then replacing all target bulls with Korans would be an acceptable response.

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2008-05-18 13:04|| 2008-05-18 13:04|| Front Page Top

#12 "Yeah, 'cause Americans are more stupid and undisciplined than anyone else."

Steve, maybe you have some trouble understanding English. I said an individual knuckle-headed soldier. Nowhere in there did I paint all Americans this way and I believe General P has managed to lead our forces into a much better place with regard to counter-insurgency operation.

My point was to say in order NOT to paint all of our people in this way, we are going to need to be very harsh on this one idiot.

Please don't add your own spring-loaded conclusions to the meaning of my comments. Thanks.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-05-18 13:05|| 2008-05-18 13:05|| Front Page Top

#13 Publicise this heavily, see who then goes to rescue the target bull korans, perforate them too, problem solved.

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2008-05-18 13:11|| 2008-05-18 13:11|| Front Page Top

#14 Glad to read your clarification, crosspatch. I confess that when I read

only Americans are dense enough to do crap like that

I took it the same way SteveS did.

Posted by lotp 2008-05-18 13:18|| 2008-05-18 13:18|| Front Page Top

#15 Doing this a soldier is wrong because it is a breach of discipline. However, had he waited until he was a civilian and done this to a Bible, he would have had a decent chance to get NEA arts funding. Especially if he had covered it in blood while rolling around in cow patties.

Posted by ryuge 2008-05-18 13:18|| 2008-05-18 13:18|| Front Page Top

#16 Doing this as a soldier . . .

Posted by ryuge 2008-05-18 13:19|| 2008-05-18 13:19|| Front Page Top

#17 If you compare the coran with mein kampf you truly are an redneck. Suppose they would insult you and your bible in that way. But again redneck i guess you are a truly imbread
// The swede

Posted by Lampedusa Chaque7712">Lampedusa Chaque7712 2008-05-18 13:23|| 2008-05-18 13:23|| Front Page Top

#18 I have observed many foreigners in the US undergoing military training. They generally go out of their way to avoid insulting people.

Whenever I have been pverseas where there are large numbers of Americans, I generally see the opposite. A few idiotic troops seeming to go out of their way to intentionally insult the local people. THOSE individuals need to be made extreme examples out of. If for no other reason than to show appreciation for the vast majority of our troops who treat the local people, culture, and traditions with respect.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-05-18 13:24|| 2008-05-18 13:24|| Front Page Top

#19 Hey Swede,

Get yer head out of your ass. You're among their first targets. And I'm sure you'll be askin all of us rednecks to bail your Euro-ass out. Again.

Posted by jds 2008-05-18 13:28|| 2008-05-18 13:28|| Front Page Top

#20 BTW, I have a koran in my garage under my car soaking up an oil leak. Just FYI

Posted by jds 2008-05-18 13:29|| 2008-05-18 13:29|| Front Page Top

#21 Screw them and their book. If the army doesn't like it screw them too. They'd rather kiss ass than win a war.

Very articulate, Sun Tzu.

Posted by Pappy 2008-05-18 13:31|| 2008-05-18 13:31|| Front Page Top

#22 Hi Asshole,

You americans are so uneducated. But again I guess most are inbreads. You all just keep dying in Iraq (Im trying to keep a straight face here).
So god luck with youre war and your fucking god.
:))

Posted by Lampedusa Chaque7712">Lampedusa Chaque7712 2008-05-18 13:33|| 2008-05-18 13:33|| Front Page Top

#23 Nowhere in there did I paint all Americans this way

Sorry for the misunderstanding, crosspatch, but in the sentence "it seems to me that only Americans are dense enough to do crap like that." both the noun 'Americans' and the accompanying verb are plural. A plural noun refers to more than one person, in this case approximately 300 million some people.

Sometimes I feel hampered by having English as a first langauge when communicating on the interwebs. Thank you for the clarification.

Posted by SteveS 2008-05-18 13:43|| 2008-05-18 13:43|| Front Page Top

#24 LOL! Backup for CP arrives.
Well said young troll.
You way will be rocklike.

Posted by George Smiley 2008-05-18 13:43|| 2008-05-18 13:43|| Front Page Top

#25 While the Koran is a religious book analagous to the Bible, it is ALSO a political/social book of order, analagous to Mein Kampf. At times and places through history the Bible has effectively been both, like the Koran, but it is not now.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-05-18 13:45|| 2008-05-18 13:45|| Front Page Top

#26 I do find it acceptabe to use the Koran for target practice - if it is been carried in the breast pocket of your target Muslim terrorist, and if you are using a high calibre weapon (think 'Abrams main gun').

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-05-18 13:48|| 2008-05-18 13:48|| Front Page Top

#27 I see nothing wrong in comparing Koran with Mein Kampf. Both are manuals for religious-political ideologies, pretty full of hate and radicalism. Both have made millions of people suffer and die. One of them is still going to.

And indeed, europeans seem to have their asses in trouble. Again. Because of ordinary citizens deprived of basic freedoms (carry a gun, defend yourself), and various poltiical-religious ideologies (socialists, multiculturalists) successfully exploiting that.

Here's a link with many resources where it is shown how much nazism = socialism:

http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/08/this-article-is-published-on-internet.html
americans: beware of your democrates.

Posted by Nesvarbukas 2008-05-18 13:48|| 2008-05-18 13:48|| Front Page Top

#28 Would any WW2 soldier have received such treatment shooting holes in "Mein Kampf"?

You're confusing a world-wide conventional war against a single nation with a regional counter-insurgency operation. The latter, by the way, has a major tenet: don't go out of your way to alienate the population you're trying to win over in order to deny your enemy a base of support.

I highly recommend reading up on it. The Army and Marines have an excellent counter-insurgency manual. There's also David Galula's seminal classic, Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice. You can also peruse the Army's Professional Writing Collection, or the Marine Corps Counterinsurgency reading list.

Posted by Pappy 2008-05-18 13:48|| 2008-05-18 13:48|| Front Page Top

#29 imbread? Is that like, unleavened?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 13:49|| 2008-05-18 13:49|| Front Page Top

#30 How's that rape thing coming in Malmo, Lampy? You Swedes still running away from your girls being made to pull trains by the Muzzy invaders? I guess you probably should, since your government has already accepted that you're well on your way to being a dhimmi country. Enjoy those high taxes, fella. I'm sure you're pleased to know they're buying you a lot more happy Muzzy rapists. Save a few kronor to buy yourself some personal lubricant. You'll need it soon.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-05-18 13:51|| 2008-05-18 13:51|| Front Page Top

#31 Post 30 is probably quite a bit over the edge.

Posted by Super Hose 2008-05-18 13:56|| 2008-05-18 13:56|| Front Page Top

#32 Post #30 is over the edge. Only warning.

OTOH our troll, who's either from Sweden or anonymizing via a Swedish RIPE server, is also way over the line. Last and only warning to him/her as well.

Posted by lotp 2008-05-18 14:01|| 2008-05-18 14:01|| Front Page Top

#33 Swede, it is bettet to keep your mouth shut and let people presume you are an idiot than open it and confirm it.

Posted by Spike Uniter 2008-05-18 14:02|| 2008-05-18 14:02|| Front Page Top

#34 The only thing Im need to make my day full is the see the wonderful insurgetns blowing the brain (?) out of suprised us soldiers. And Muslims yes, for your knowledge US have this:
- Niggers
- Arabs
- Asians
- Indians
- And all the above
I would not suprise me if you a mix of all that, maybe even dogs and pigs.
:)))))

Posted by Lampedusa Chaque7712">Lampedusa Chaque7712 2008-05-18 14:02|| 2008-05-18 14:02|| Front Page Top

#35 So - I was just going to troll out this idiot until he posted #34. The racist hate crap he spews pretty much makes it clear he's muslim culturally.

Whether religiously is open to question.

Posted by lotp 2008-05-18 14:05|| 2008-05-18 14:05|| Front Page Top

#36 You are an idiot and a fool, in addition to being a troll, LC.

Mods - cleanup on Aisle 34, please.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-05-18 14:07|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-05-18 14:07|| Front Page Top

#37 I'm leaving it up for a short while so that everyone can see his racist stupidity and appropriate mock it.

Posted by lotp 2008-05-18 14:08|| 2008-05-18 14:08|| Front Page Top

#38 Makes a damn fine multi-smiley tho.

Posted by George Smiley 2008-05-18 14:12|| 2008-05-18 14:12|| Front Page Top

#39 to # 35
First of all when you write "The racist hate crap he spews" and in the same sentence "he's muslim culturally". You actually contradict yourself. I am a non-beliver and If someone think they can mock either side (muslim/christian) I take the opposite side.
And I sure was not the first one to go over the edge.

Posted by Lampedusa Chaque7712">Lampedusa Chaque7712 2008-05-18 14:13|| 2008-05-18 14:13|| Front Page Top

#40 I'm offended that he left out the Irish. Our contribution was criticial to the foundation of America, despite the fact that the Chinese made better railroad workers. We deserve to be mocked. Our culture of drinking was the very foundation of the trailer park culture that is critical to day time television, both as viewers and participants.

Also I demand to know which Indians he is talking about. If he has left out Native Americans, in his racist tirade I'm really gonna be ticked off.

Posted by Super Hose 2008-05-18 14:18|| 2008-05-18 14:18|| Front Page Top

#41 Barbara had it correct the first time. Where is the troll from?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-05-18 14:20|| 2008-05-18 14:20|| Front Page Top

#42 Go visit the folks at Gates of Vienna, Lampy. Let them know what you think. I'm sure they'll be quite pleased to hear your viewpoint. They won't be quite so...circumspect...in their responses as the folks at RB so you'll get the full response you deserve.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-05-18 14:20|| 2008-05-18 14:20|| Front Page Top

#43 Sweden. Read the whole thread, idiot.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-05-18 14:21|| 2008-05-18 14:21|| Front Page Top

#44 Comment 30 is absaolutely on the money.

Koran 33:50 - "O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war

Muslim Rape Wave in Sweden
Swedish girls Malin and Amanda were on their way to a party on New Year's Eve when they were assaulted, raped and beaten half to death by four Somali immigrants. Sweden's largest newspaper has presented the perpetrators as "two men from Sweden, one from Finland and one from Somalia", a testimony as to how bad the informal censorship is in stories related to immigration in Sweden. Similar incidents are reported with shocking frequency, to the point where some observers fear that law and order is completely breaking down in the country. The number of rape charges in Sweden has tripled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six - 6 - times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas.

According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants. In Norway and Denmark, we know that non-Western immigrants, which frequently means Muslims, are grossly overrepresented on rape statistics. In Oslo, Norway, immigrants were involved in two out of three rape charges in 2001. The numbers in Denmark were the same, and even higher in the city of Copenhagen with three out of four rape charges. Sweden has a larger immigrant, including Muslim, population than any other country in northern Europe. The numbers there are likely to be at least as bad as with its Scandinavian neighbors. The actual number is thus probably even higher than what the authorities are reporting now, as it doesn't include second generation immigrants. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents.

Population replacement at it's most basic.

Posted by ed 2008-05-18 14:25|| 2008-05-18 14:25|| Front Page Top

#45 Hitler wasn't a paedophile and didn't advocate sleeping with 9 year old girls, so yes the Koran is incomparably worse than Mein Kampf.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-05-18 14:26|| 2008-05-18 14:26|| Front Page Top

#46 our little troll seems to have some slight difficulty witha da English. His fascination with inbreeding leads me to think "project". I bet his Mom's his second cousin as well. Prolly all sort of Oedipus urgings. Leave him up for sport, lotp?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 14:31|| 2008-05-18 14:31|| Front Page Top

#47 Thanks, Ed. I've got Swedish friends and they're VERY reluctant to discuss this stuff because they believe that acknowledging unpleasant truths like this is to be racist. Get a few drinks in some of the guys though and in vino veritas is proven yet again to be true. Bottom line is that there are lots of Swedes who know they made a bad mistake by taking these Muzzies in but who don't want to look bad by throwing them and their offspring back to country of origin. Law of unintended consequences in action with a vengeance.

Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-05-18 14:32|| 2008-05-18 14:32|| Front Page Top

#48 or "projection"....Guess I get to join the moron crowd too, NS?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 14:33|| 2008-05-18 14:33|| Front Page Top

#49 TSP, even that article understates the magnitude of the Nordic muslim rape problem. The stats lumps all immigrants together. The vast majority of rapes are not committed by Polish plumbers or Lithuanian carpenters, but the 4-5% muslim population. On a per capita basis that means muslims are likely to rape at a 20X rate. They ARE waging jihad against the natives who are too terrified to face up to the facts.

Posted by ed 2008-05-18 14:42|| 2008-05-18 14:42|| Front Page Top

#50 If shredded, it can be used for cat litter. Geez, these guys have no sense of humor.

Posted by JohnQC 2008-05-18 14:55|| 2008-05-18 14:55|| Front Page Top

#51 First of all when you write "The racist hate crap he spews" and in the same sentence "he's muslim culturally". You actually contradict yourself.

Not at all - the giveaway is that the final insult you throw at Americans is to suggest we're part "dogs and pigs". Straight out of muslim hate speech.

The rest of it is pretty incoherent, but the racial taunts are obvious. And quite unlike anything my Scandanavian husband's family would say or think.

Of course, you might be a neo-Nazi idiot ... their rantings and those of the stupider imams have converged of late. Six of one, half a dozen of the other ....

Posted by lotp 2008-05-18 14:59|| 2008-05-18 14:59|| Front Page Top

#52 What Lamp the chicken violator dfails to understand is that the melting pot nature of the American Experience is a strength not a weakness, because the melting pot results in an unusually short cultural memory. Within 60 years of the end of WWII, Americans are driving Toyotas,eating at Olive Garden and celebrating Octoberfest. Within 50 years of Chosin Resevoir we are buying our daughters Malibu Ken made in Canton and feeding our dogs Kibbles and Bits from Hunan.

The Arab model, as played out in Yemen works like this ... run off all the Jewish silversmiths until your GDP is so badly in the toilet that not even France or Belgium is intersted in colonizing your little sand dune.

Posted by Super Hose 2008-05-18 15:06|| 2008-05-18 15:06|| Front Page Top

#53 These threads become fairly interesting when chew toys like Limpedickus shows up.

Posted by JohnQC 2008-05-18 15:13|| 2008-05-18 15:13|| Front Page Top

#54 Today, Kuwait ingrates elected an Islamofascist majority assembly. Democracy for the Arab means: one man, one vote, one time.

Frankly, the Arabs can go to hell. Screw nation building; we need to keep them in a pre-nuclear state. And if we have to glaze a couple of cities to put a cap on jihadism, then so be it.

Posted by McZoid 2008-05-18 15:39|| 2008-05-18 15:39|| Front Page Top

#55 Where is Homer Simpson when you need him?

Posted by Zorba Omereting4619 2008-05-18 17:38|| 2008-05-18 17:38|| Front Page Top

#56 It would be nice if we could find a way to drag people like Lampedusa Chaque7712 kicking and screaming into the 21st Century without having to "glass their cities". I think that's what Bush is trying to do in Iraq and, so, military discipline requires that the soldier who uses a Koran for target practice is punished. It's not like we're trying to defeat just one nation as we did with the Nazis because there are billions of muslims and we're understandably reluctant to just start killing all of them even when we know they want us dead. We're looking for a better way. Good Christians pray that we can find it but we don't know if we can. Keep pushing, Limpdick, and you'll end up in some museum standing next to a Neanderthal.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2008-05-18 17:58|| 2008-05-18 17:58|| Front Page Top

#57 They better pound the dumbass that shot the Kroan. You simply do not antagonzie people you are trying to win over.

Especially when winning them over means winning the war - and fundamentally changing the nature of the region - and changing Islam itself in the process as well.

This guy and those that applaud him are grade A idiots, obvious oblivious to counter insurgency strategy and tactis, and blind as bats to how to change the regional culture.

Its almost as if they WANT to hose things up so bad that we are forced to "glass" large areas, becoming mass murderers in the process.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-05-18 18:34|| 2008-05-18 18:34|| Front Page Top

#58 They better pound the dumbass that shot the Kroan. You simply do not antagonzie people you are trying to win over.

I could not agree more.

Set aside your own opinions and ideas of free speech, and look at this situation from the viewpoint of military discipline. This soldier was under some order or the other to watch his behavior, and he violated that order in such a way as to be sure that he has put his fellow soldiers in harms way. Someone (probably much more than one) will die over this. And even this pea brain soldier should have been aware of this simple fact, or he recklessly disregarded the same.

The court martial better not be temperate. Unless he is certifiably insane, and his insanity caused his abhorrent behavior -- then he just needs to be committed to an insane asylum for the rest of his life.

Posted by cingold 2008-05-18 19:18|| 2008-05-18 19:18|| Front Page Top

#59 Cingold? really? DD isn't enough? take a breath and reconsider: yes, it was stupid, violated orders, possibly exposed his fellow soldiers to harm and hindered the mission. Life sentence? I remember a fabricated episode of Koran-flushing, "reported" by NewsWeak that led to riots and death. Dude, you're a LAWYER, so you say, don't you think dialing it back a little is appropriate? WTF? Credibility hit, big-time

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 19:24|| 2008-05-18 19:24|| Front Page Top

#60 btw - I find this comment totally out-of character with my previous take on you: good, smart, and while a lawyer....one of the good guys. I'm surprised and baffled. A DD -at worst- is in order...better yet: counseling and instruction with a probation. He didn't kill civilians or cut off Jihadi heads, did he?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 19:30|| 2008-05-18 19:30|| Front Page Top

#61 Frank, Don't over react. cingold said life in an asylum if nuts, not life as a sentence if guilty.

I think this guy should get the DD and time in the slammer.The problem is not what this guy did in isolation, but what its secondary and tertiaty effects are. Look at all the damage abu Ghraib did. Over what? A handful of juvenile delinquents with a sophmoric sense of humor and a lack of adult supervision (none of whom were adequately punished). This jerk and the officer(s) to whom (s)he reports should all get put through the wringer and dealt with appropriately. Including time in stir.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-05-18 19:53|| 2008-05-18 19:53|| Front Page Top

#62 nuts, huh?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 20:04|| 2008-05-18 20:04|| Front Page Top

#63 Iraq has a history that goes back to the dawn of civilization. The Mesopotamian kings controlled most of what we call the Middle East at one time or another. In ancient times, they defeated Israel and took Jerusalem.

That American conquered Mesopotamia is in and of itself a great historic event that will not be forgotten in thousands of years. What we DO with that will be an even greater event.

To take that conquest and return it to the people is an amazing act. For our soldiers to treat these people with honor and respect will go much farther in showing through deeds what America is really about than will any words we could ever say.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-05-18 20:26|| 2008-05-18 20:26|| Front Page Top

#64 Company grade article 15 is sufficient, in all likelihood.

But be very public tha the soldier is being punished, and emphasize that there is punishment, not the nature of it nor the real reasons. Let the locals draw the conclusion that it was for being disreligious and there there was swift punishment.

Let the soldiers know it was for being a dumbass and endangering the mission. Pull a stripe and give the soldier a chance to work off his dumbassery, preferrably digging latrines for Iraqis.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-05-18 20:41|| 2008-05-18 20:41|| Front Page Top

#65 Given the way Arab economies work, I doubt that most Iraqis understand what a DD means to the soldier's future, so they won't give it any weight. There will always be an appreciation gap here.

And besides, the troublemaking imams and the like are still just looking for excuses to stir things up for political gain. The fact that they are doing this can be used as an indicator that they think it will work, and they are probably right. Now if the people don't get all riled up about it despite the troublemakers' best efforts, that will be a good indicator.

Posted by gorb 2008-05-18 20:50|| 2008-05-18 20:50|| Front Page Top

#66 Everybody seems to be quietly dancing around he issue here, we're not fighting a nation, not even a collection of nations we're fighting a "Religion" (Used here in the loosest sense)and the Koran is THEIR "Terror manual", just exactly as the Nazis were a form of religion.
In fact we seem to be fighting the same war as WW2 with the same type of fanaticism as the Nazis, just a different name.

WW2 Nazis versus Judaism.
End goal world domination by Nazis. (Jews were a handy excuse)

Today Islam vs any other religion.
End goal world domination by Islam.(Christians are just a handy excuse)

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2008-05-18 21:11|| 2008-05-18 21:11|| Front Page Top

#67 yeah, RJ, where's "the front" in the war on Islam?

Genius

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-05-18 21:58|| 2008-05-18 21:58|| Front Page Top

#68 In Germany, not every German was a Nazi -- so the ones that were not Nazis (i.e., the ones we turned Germany back over to) had no problem with us despising Mein Kampf and Hitler. Heck, they'd jump right in there with us.

In Iraq, virtually all Iraqis revere the Koran in one fashion or another -- whether they understand what's in it or not. We are looking to turn Iraq over to Iraqis who are Muslims, but not Islamofascists, and that's a mighty fine line distinction. It can exist, though. Indonesia has a wide range of Islamic belief, even some who are going through some sort of Muslim Reformation and who want to promote textual exegesis.

Now, I'm sorry (especially as a lawyer) to lose what little credibility I might have gained here over the years, but I'm pretty concerned about this. It doesn't have the markings of some made up story (like the Korans down the toilet story). If true, it is incredibly serious. In the mindset I think exists, Abu Ghraib was just people -- insha Allah, don't you know. But this was desecration of the Koran. In places like Pakistan, that's the accusation made falsely against Christians to get them killed and their property seized. It's a very serious thing.

In treason cases, the crime really rises or falls with the seriousness of what information was compromised. I think the same holds true here.

Yeah, this was probably some juvenile dummy thinking he was having some fun, but WHAT HE DID WILL -- NOT MAYBE, BUT WILL -- GET PEOPLE KILLED. How many depends on how our government and military handle the situation. Pragmatically, I think they better make an example of this kid.

Posted by cingold 2008-05-18 22:08|| 2008-05-18 22:08|| Front Page Top

#69 A couple of posters mentioned Malmo, Sweden. For those who are not aware, within a few years that city will be the first Muslim majority city in Europe; it won't be the last.

No comparison of the koran to Mein Kampff? Mohammad's perverse concoction of angelic revelations, is the first ideological text to integrate religion - better: pseudo religion - and politics, on a post tribal scale. Seculars should look at that piece of textual sewage as the most vulgar prescription for social idiocy ever concocted. And the Muslim "prophet" should be treated as a proven fraud an pathological liar. The only thing lower than a doctrinaire Muslim is the dhimmi barbarian who indulges their inherent aggression.

Posted by McZoid 2008-05-18 22:48|| 2008-05-18 22:48|| Front Page Top

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